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Old 4 Jun 2013, 04:30 (Ref:3257436)   #26
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Certainly that is a myth, from Nakajima and the likes, but Koby did nothing but confirm the myth after he's impressive start in F1. It will take a serious talented japanese driver to break through this myth... or maybe a chinese one will come first!
Confirming the myth? Four race ending crashes (not including race start crashes, where he was taken out by other drivers a few times) in 60 starts isn't that bad...
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Old 4 Jun 2013, 12:56 (Ref:3257585)   #27
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Crash-a-lot-drivers from the past:
=> Andrea de Cesaris
=> James Hunt in lower series

from feder series:
=> Johnny Cecotto jr. from GP2.

More?
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Old 5 Jun 2013, 09:47 (Ref:3257942)   #28
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Certainly that is a myth, from Nakajima and the likes, but Koby did nothing but confirm the myth after he's impressive start in F1. It will take a serious talented japanese driver to break through this myth... or maybe a chinese one will come first!
Takuma Sato would also seem to confirm the myth.
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Old 6 Jun 2013, 14:47 (Ref:3258542)   #29
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the only one I could think of was Irvine in 94 for the accident with Vestappen and Brundle, who if you watch it doesn't actually appear to be dangerous driving, but that's moving a bit out of scope of the discussion I was trying to have.
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Old 6 Jun 2013, 15:22 (Ref:3258553)   #30
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I'm not sure about this characterisation of Kobayashi as a crasher.
Indeed. There were many times he banged wheels with guys, but usually both cars were in racing shape afterwards. The only time I can remember him doing something Grosjean-esque was when he had that big wreck with Hulkenberg in Australia, and that was brake failure.
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I'm not sure about this characterisation of Kobayashi as a crasher.

no: Yuji Ide and Sakon Yamamoto are much worse
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Indeed. There were many times he banged wheels with guys, but usually both cars were in racing shape afterwards. The only time I can remember him doing something Grosjean-esque was when he had that big wreck with Hulkenberg in Australia, and that was brake failure.
I remember him hitting the wall in Canada and Singapore 2010 but that was all on his own, no other cars involved. He hit Massa and Button in Valencia and Korea respectively in 2012, but that's it. I can't remember any other race incidents he has caused.
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