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Old 7 Aug 2008, 14:10 (Ref:2265315)   #1
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Someone explain this one

1 year's road tax, for a 1996 Peugeot 106 with a 1124cc Petrol engine = £120
1 Year's Road tax, for a 2003 Peugeot 206 with a 1400cc Diesel Engine = £35
1 Year's road tax for a 2008 SEAT Ibiza with a 1400cc Disel Engine = £0

Why am I paying the most when I have the smallest engine??
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Old 7 Aug 2008, 14:16 (Ref:2265316)   #2
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Because you have the oldest most polluting engine, admit it you're a bad man and a planet killer.
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Old 7 Aug 2008, 14:32 (Ref:2265328)   #3
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But it's much smaller than the others. Bigger engine = more pollution + Less efficiency. For ever and ever amen. Age does not even come into it.

Don't get me wrong, I'd buy an electric car [Lightning please] but I'd still drive a car, very much like yours in fact Falcie, through a greenpeace conference.
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Old 7 Aug 2008, 14:44 (Ref:2265333)   #4
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1 year's road tax, for a 1996 Peugeot 106 with a 1124cc Petrol engine = £120
1 Year's Road tax, for a 2003 Peugeot 206 with a 1400cc Diesel Engine = £35
1 Year's road tax for a 2008 SEAT Ibiza with a 1400cc Disel Engine = £0

Why am I paying the most when I have the smallest engine??
Its Petrol

Myn for 1 year is also £120 a 2003 Fiat Punto 1242cc petrol
this is exactly the same as a 1993 Vauxhall Corsa 1196cc petrol

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Old 7 Aug 2008, 14:45 (Ref:2265334)   #5
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I would think the difference in efficiency in engines between 1996, 2003 and 2008 is lightyears TBH.
My daughter's Corsa is a 1995 1500D (£110 tax) and my wife has a 2004 Clio 1500 turbo D (£35) and the Clio will return an extra 15-20mpg over the Corsa.
The engine management systems (Corsa doesn't have one) and designs are way ahead now.
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Old 7 Aug 2008, 14:47 (Ref:2265336)   #6
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The efficency can't really make that much difference as with the 2 cars i mentioned before

The corsa got about 30 i think
The Punto gets 48
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Old 7 Aug 2008, 14:56 (Ref:2265339)   #7
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The efficency can't really make that much difference as with the 2 cars i mentioned before

The corsa got about 30 i think
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Yes but the newer one will not pollute as much, just think of the babies for once
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Old 7 Aug 2008, 14:58 (Ref:2265340)   #8
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Why am I paying the most when I have the smallest engine??
Because it's a pre-2001 car. 2001 & later cars are taxed on CO2 emissions, cars made before 2001 are taxed purely on engine size, with a break at (I think) 1550cc. The emissions-based tax system has a lot more bands, which means boring (oops, cleaner!) cars pay comparatively much less then big ones.
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Old 7 Aug 2008, 15:01 (Ref:2265344)   #9
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Yes but the newer one will not pollute as much, just think of the babies for once
Why is the tax Exactly the same then
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Old 7 Aug 2008, 15:03 (Ref:2265345)   #10
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Yes but the newer one will not pollute as much, just think of the babies for once
Sod 'em . as said before it is inconceivable how a bigger engine could pollute less than a smaller one no matter when it was made. It defies logic.

And don't mention electronics. As soon as I get hold of a car with electronics doing something under the bonnet, the offending article will be ripped out and smashed. Computers belong on desks, not in cars.

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Because it's a pre-2001 car. 2001 & later cars are taxed on CO2 emissions, cars made before 2001 are taxed purely on engine size, with a break at (I think) 1550cc. The emissions-based tax system has a lot more bands, which means boring (oops, cleaner!) cars pay comparatively much less then big ones.
I take it that using the "That's not fair on the drivers of pre 2001 cars" argument is not going to work then.
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Old 7 Aug 2008, 15:16 (Ref:2265352)   #11
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Sod 'em . as said before it is inconceivable how a bigger engine could pollute less than a smaller one no matter when it was made. It defies logic.
It's very simple really. An old engine with a carburettor, no cat & probably a mechanical distributor has very poor control over the mixture & the combustion process - it's a matter of bung a lot of fuel in, hope most of it burns & don't bother cleaning up the exhaust. Modern cars with closed-loop control systems & cats produce much less pollution.
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Old 7 Aug 2008, 15:20 (Ref:2265353)   #12
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Diesels never have the same CO2 emmision levels as petrols thats the big difference in price.

My 1600cc Fiesta cost a whopping £35 to tax last week!
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It's very simple really. An old engine with a carburettor, no cat & probably a mechanical distributor has very poor control over the mixture & the combustion process
But my car has an electronic distributor and a Cat, and I'm still asked to pay a stupid amount because my car doesn't have all the other useless electronic toys new cars are saddled with.

Warning, what follows is a rant and does not necessarily represent the opinions of Ten-Tenths.
(To be honest, it probably doesn't even represent the opinions of the poster when they aren't ranting.)

Ask they can, but until they bring it to a more sensible level I will not pay it and if anyone from the DVLA comes near me I shall have them prosecuted for harassment. About time that useless load of *******s in their ivory tower got a taste of reality

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Why is the tax Exactly the same then
May I refer you to the gentleman earlier
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I posted and then i saw the previous post
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