Top Gear Australia track

[mjolnir]

Here's the Australian TG track, which frankly isn't even a shadow of the UK track.

How about having a go of it?

http://maps.google.com.au/maps?f=q&h...13947&t=k&z=17

[Yannick]

I'd flip the Turn 5 chicane perpendicular to the main straight, so the tighter corner comes on entry rather than on exit.

[ScotsBrutesFan]

There really isn't a great deal to work with at that particular airfield. I'll see what I can come up with later.

[xlr8r]

Herea are my 2 attempts. I tried to keep as many corners and characteristics of the original as possible.

www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=2382249
www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=2382263

[AU N EGL]

Good set up.

My thoughts:

Move T5 close to T6, better for slowing down. PPL may over shoot T5 and run into other cars as it is now.

take out T8 & T9 as they are too close to the finish line. Need at least 300 meters of straight prior to the finish line for most tracks.


Tracks dont need lots of corners, just well placed corners.

I think you did a very good job

[Flaming_Wuzzle]

Originally Posted by AU N EGL

Good set up.

My thoughts:

Move T5 close to T6, better for slowing down. PPL may over shoot T5 and run into other cars as it is now.

take out T8 & T9 as they are too close to the finish line. Need at least 300 meters of straight prior to the finish line for most tracks.

1) It's a test track, there's only going to be one car on it at a time.

2) Clearly not a problem for the original Top Gear track, since their start/finish line was almost immediately after the final corner.

[werner]

The line just behind the corner is great fun. It makes the drivers 'give up' the exit, wich makes that corner different than others.

[ScotsBrutesFan]

Originally Posted by xlr8r

Herea are my 2 attempts. I tried to keep as many corners and characteristics of the original as possible.

www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=2382249
www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=2382263

My doodles ended up looking pretty close to the first of these. I didn't have a chance to post them earlier.

[LibertyBell]

Well, let's put it this way, it isn't another Shanghai. Actually, it is decent, but I would suggest other fields.

Any word on the USA Top Gear track?

[ScotsBrutesFan]

Originally Posted by LibertyBell

Well, let's put it this way, it isn't another Shanghai. Actually, it is decent, but I would suggest other fields.

Any word on the USA Top Gear track?

I'm tempted to say a drag strip as stereotypically American cars and corners don't mix very well.

[Flaming_Wuzzle]

Originally Posted by LibertyBell

Any word on the USA Top Gear track?

Well, they did have a track laid out for the Top Gear US's pilot back in July, but I guess no one in the studio would be able to map it out from memory.

[AU N EGL]

Originally Posted by Flaming_Wuzzle

Well, they did have a track laid out for the Top Gear US's pilot back in July, but I guess no one in the studio would be able to map it out from memory.

"The pilot will be filmed at a secret location around Los Angeles equipped with a race track and hangar where the show will be filmed in front of a audience."

all I could find. Willow Springs comes to mind

[Flaming_Wuzzle]

Originally Posted by AU N EGL

"The pilot will be filmed at a secret location around Los Angeles equipped with a race track and hangar where the show will be filmed in front of a audience."

all I could find. Willow Springs comes to mind

Here's where they recorded the pilot, though if NBC ends up picking it up, they might move somewhere else because El Toro is being redeveloped.

[mjolnir]

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=e...05579&t=k&z=15

that's a hell of a lot more scope than the UK version, let alone the Aussie version...

[AU N EGL]

El Toro is not a race track, but Marine air base

[mattt]

Originally Posted by AU N EGL

El Toro is not a race track, but Marine air base

The top gear track isn't a race track, its just a disused airfield with a track based upon the runways and taxiways

[Mike_Wooshy]

here is my attempt on the track.

[mountainstar]

Originally Posted by AU N EGL

El Toro is not a race track, but Marine air base

They closed it in the 1990's because of urban growth and noise complaints.

Same thing happened to Miramar NAS(Top Gun) in San Diego. It's nearly closed.

I'd never use Big Willow Springs for a show like this. The place is too dangerous and too hard for some of the amateurs that Top gear has on the show. It's the freakiest track I've ever been on.

[AU N EGL]

Originally Posted by mountainstar

They closed it in the 1990's because of urban growth and noise complaints.

Same thing happened to Miramar NAS(Top Gun) in San Diego. It's nearly closed.

I'd never use Big Willow Springs for a show like this. The place is too dangerous and too hard for some of the amateurs that Top gear has on the show. It's the freakiest track I've ever been on.

does that show how bad the drivers are?

Willow Springs or even the smaller Streets of Willow would be just fine.

Where else would they go? Spring Mountain NV is too far away.

[mountainstar]

Originally Posted by AU N EGL

does that show how bad the drivers are?

Willow Springs or even the smaller Streets of Willow would be just fine.

Where else would they go? Spring Mountain NV is too far away.

For testing of street cars and/or having amateur's drive, you need a wide open airfield.

Willow Springs is too dangerous for this type of work and I would never recommend it. It's hard to learn, too fast, too many issues with safety with ditches and track drop offs and has some blind spots. I know because I have ridden right seat with amateurs around it and it's not pleasant. People get killed there all the time.

Streets is too much the other way. For all the things Top Gear does they just need a wide open airfield.

[Flaming_Wuzzle]

Originally Posted by mountainstar

For all the things Top Gear does they just need a wide open airfield.

Yeah...the problem is finding another suitable airfield in the LA area, since I doubt El Toro will be around for the length of Top Gear US's run.

[AU N EGL]

Originally Posted by mountainstar

For testing of street cars and/or having amateur's drive, you need a wide open airfield.

Willow Springs is too dangerous for this type of work and I would never recommend it. It's hard to learn, too fast, too many issues with safety with ditches and track drop offs and has some blind spots. I know because I have ridden right seat with amateurs around it and it's not pleasant. People get killed there all the time.

Streets is too much the other way. For all the things Top Gear does they just need a wide open airfield.

Need a better instructor in the right seat.

PPL get hurt on race tracks do to thinking they can drive a sports car. Better training and instructors .

If an instructor while riding with a student gets scared, In THAT moment, the instructor must get that student into the pits and have a talking too. If the instructor doesn't he may not get a second chance.

putting people in high powered cars on an unrestricted peice of concreat or asphalt is just asking for trouble.

But what the heck, ppl watch NASCAR and Wildest Police chases on TV for the crashes.

[Flaming_Wuzzle]

To be fair, the untrained drivers would only be in something on the slower end of the spectrum. Supposedly, TGUS is using a Kia Rio, which only reaches 119mph/192kph top speed. The faster cars would be tested by a professional.

Still, you don't need to be putting amateur drivers on a course with barriers everywhere. That's why Top Gear uses an airfield; if someone makes a mistake and goes off, they don't hit a wall and get injured. That risk is only acceptable for professionals because they know what they're doing so there's less chance of a mistake, and they're being paid to do it anyway. The amateurs that would be coming on Top Gear are pretty much just celebrities coming on to promote their movie/TV show/whatever. There's no need to put them at risk by making them drive on a dangerous track like you're suggesting.

[mountainstar]

Originally Posted by AU N EGL

Need a better instructor in the right seat.

PPL get hurt on race tracks do to thinking they can drive a sports car. Better training and instructors .

If an instructor while riding with a student gets scared, In THAT moment, the instructor must get that student into the pits and have a talking too. If the instructor doesn't he may not get a second chance.

putting people in high powered cars on an unrestricted peice of concreat or asphalt is just asking for trouble.

But what the heck, ppl watch NASCAR and Wildest Police chases on TV for the crashes.

No I think you miss the point about what Top Gear needs and requires for the types of things it does. But I do Top Gear type work, track and course design and instruction so what do I know?

[mountainstar]

Originally Posted by Flaming_Wuzzle

To be fair, the untrained drivers would only be in something on the slower end of the spectrum. Supposedly, TGUS is using a Kia Rio, which only reaches 119mph/192kph top speed. The faster cars would be tested by a professional.

Still, you don't need to be putting amateur drivers on a course with barriers everywhere. That's why Top Gear uses an airfield; if someone makes a mistake and goes off, they don't hit a wall and get injured. That risk is only acceptable for professionals because they know what they're doing so there's less chance of a mistake, and they're being paid to do it anyway. The amateurs that would be coming on Top Gear are pretty much just celebrities coming on to promote their movie/TV show/whatever. There's no need to put them at risk by making them drive on a dangerous track like you're suggesting.

Exactly. In this type of work reducing risk and keeping things safe as possible is #1. To do the types of stunts, SIARC, and other shenanigans TG does an airfield or level area free from obstructions is best.