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Old 10 Mar 2017, 05:11 (Ref:3717673)   #201
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Lowest crowd in 12 years apparently. Theories as to why?
Craillsy's article offers up some good reasons. Would think the organisers should release day 3 figures.

Addy definitely with a hatchet job there.

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Old 10 Mar 2017, 05:42 (Ref:3717677)   #202
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Interesting article on the crowd size and event generally here: Mr Craill's view
Quite a balanced article and a good read from someone who is usually sickenly pro-Supercars and never see's a fault with it...

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A couple of thousand people in the industry out of work...
And something else would come along in it's place, just as happened after Group C, and Group A, etc etc...

The ATCC will continue to be awarded, the Bathurst 1000 will go on, and people will be employed.

The mob that have acted as if they own Australian racing for 20 years will be gone though, and I hope the employment they find is in some other industry...
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Old 10 Mar 2017, 05:53 (Ref:3717681)   #203
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Certainly not a hatchet job, I thought it was fairly even handed.

As to GTRs theory that keeping your head in the sand and only talking about positive aspects of the category is the way to go, seriously mate? Maybe that's why we've reached this point, too much navel gazing and patting ourselves on the back. You can't just ignore facts - crowds are down, manufacturers have left BUT the racing is as good as ever, the driver skill level is internationally competitive, the production value of the show has improved immensely... If that's not enough for SC to thrive what do you suggest? If people aren't watching when the quality of the product is so high then that is a massive issue and your ignorance is bliss approach is laughable.
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Old 10 Mar 2017, 06:49 (Ref:3717684)   #204
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have to laugh at some posters on here, cherry picking an article.

Maybe they should read it

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So what do we do? Nothing, really. Certainly there is no need for knee-jerk reactions from the event management, the Government or Supercars.
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As a sport we need to continue to push what we’re doing in the best possible light, showcasing the positive stuff as often as possible and in new and inventive ways. We need to own the errors, make changes as needed and use them to build it forward.
But no the opposite has happened
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Old 10 Mar 2017, 07:30 (Ref:3717693)   #205
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Interesting article on the crowd size and event generally here: Mr Craill's view
Hit the nail on the head
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Old 10 Mar 2017, 07:32 (Ref:3717694)   #206
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Supercar is doomed...
Bit of an over exageration don't you think? At worst currently it is a warrant for concern
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Old 10 Mar 2017, 08:00 (Ref:3717702)   #207
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He forgot the italics.


The thing to remember is that this is the best catagory we have in Australia, on the whole. Big money being poured into it, it pulls a crowd, it gets the TV numbers, it gets mainstream media reognition.

Nothing else really ticks all those boxes at this point in time.
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Old 10 Mar 2017, 08:13 (Ref:3717706)   #208
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He forgot the italics.


The thing to remember is that this is the best catagory we have in Australia, on the whole. Big money being poured into it, it pulls a crowd, it gets the TV numbers, it gets mainstream media reognition.

Nothing else really ticks all those boxes at this point in time.
Once again your correct Umai the only thing I express concern for is a lack of manufacturer investment but with Gen 2 regulations hopefully that'll change
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Old 10 Mar 2017, 11:16 (Ref:3717727)   #209
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At least Supercar actually draws a crowd....
Defensive much?

It does draw a crowd and television ratings - however they are declining, hence the discussion

No need to shout it down, deflect and bury our heads in the sand is there GTR?
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Old 10 Mar 2017, 12:09 (Ref:3717737)   #210
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Defensive much?

It does draw a crowd and television ratings - however they are declining, hence the discussion

No need to shout it down, deflect and bury our heads in the sand is there GTR?
They declined for one round mate not the apocalypse yet lol this not intended at you drt this is in relation to topic (you seem like a good bloke) but this "Supercars is at the end of the road" hysteria happened back in 2011 (hysteria exemplar below) and since then every single track attendance and viewership record has been broken this is just the media and some with a political agenda **** stirring every single sports league on the planet goes through an odd slump or stagnation in growth occasionally they'll come of it even the NFL was in a slump this year it happens to everyone we're not in a NASCAR situation yet
http://www.theroar.com.au/2011/02/15/why-v8-supercars-has-hit-the-skids-in-australia/

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Old 10 Mar 2017, 13:24 (Ref:3717750)   #211
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this "Supercars is at the end of the road" hysteria happened back in 2011 (hysteria exemplar below) and since then every single track attendance and viewership record has been broken
Really?
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Old 10 Mar 2017, 14:38 (Ref:3717783)   #212
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Really?
Yes to name a few record/ significant spikes attendances since the last speculation:
Bathurst 2012/16 & an unprecedented rise in viewership in 2016
Gold Coast 2015
Symmons Plains 2016
Darwin, Townsville, Winton (up by 25,000 in 2016 in comparison to 2015)
Supercars is not suffering it's only going through a slight bump
sorry meant to say vast majority instead of every typing error poor editing on my behalf but still the point stands regardless

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Supercar is doomed...
I'd go for any/some/all of the following:
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- no Sunday concert
- the TV product is now so good/expensive people will stay at home
- timing around Adelaide fringe

But maybe you're right GTR, maybe the sky is falling.

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hysteria happened back in 2011 (hysteria exemplar below) and since then every single track attendance and viewership record has been broken
Hi LD2244, can you tell me since 2011 (the year you quoted) which year Eastern Creek/SMP, Phillip Island, Sandown and queensland Raceway received it's track attendance and viewership record? Thanks in advance.
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Old 10 Mar 2017, 20:37 (Ref:3717881)   #214
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I'd go for any/some/all of the following:
- heat
- ticket prices
- no Sunday concert
- the TV product is now so good/expensive people will stay at home
- timing around Adelaide fringe

But maybe you're right GTR, maybe the sky is falling.



Hi LD2244, can you tell me since 2011 (the year you quoted) which year Eastern Creek/SMP, Phillip Island, Sandown and queensland Raceway received it's track attendance and viewership record? Thanks in advance.
Hi mayhem posted an edit forget to add nearly in my bad apologies for any inconveniences incurred and some track records set above

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They declined for one round mate not the apocalypse yet lol this not intended at you drt this is in relation to topic (you seem like a good bloke) but this "Supercars is at the end of the road" hysteria happened back in 2011 (hysteria exemplar below) and since then every single track attendance and viewership record has been broken this is just the media and some with a political agenda **** stirring every single sports league on the planet goes through an odd slump or stagnation in growth occasionally they'll come of it even the NFL was in a slump this year it happens to everyone we're not in a NASCAR situation yet
http://www.theroar.com.au/2011/02/15...-in-australia/
Who is proclaiming the apocalypse outside of GTR?

Can't we talk about things here without going to extreme's to try and deflect attention from the facts?

Adelaide saw the lowest Sunday crowd in 16 years and down 30,000 in the last 2 years - this isnt just the 2017 installment but also 2016. The start of a trend while also adding in that the departure of 2 motor manufacturers.

I am not sure any viewership records have been broken either? Apart from Foxtel ones which have only been in existence since 2015.

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Who is proclaiming the apocalypse outside of GTR? Can't we talk about things here without going to extreme's to try and deflect attention from the facts?

Adelaide saw the lowest Sunday crowd in 16 years and down 30,000 in the last 2 years - this isnt just the 2017 installment but also 2016. The start of a trend while also adding in that the departure of 2 motor manufacturers.

I am not sure any viewership records have been broken either? Apart from Foxtel ones which have only been in existence since 2015.
I'm not argueing with you mate I agree with you yes there's a problem but it's not dying like some seem to be saying. Adelaide wasn't Motorsport related in its loss of crowd numbers it was bad management on the governments behalf that was responsible (reviews of the Clipsal 500 on Facebook emphasise this) . We're not in an exestential crisis yet but if ticket prices aren't dropped we could very well be facing that. As well manufacturers come and go not you but a lot of people seem to forget we had only two manufacturers five years ago and the Mercedes-Benz's barely count as a manufacturer that was a privateer squad. However I'm sure GTRMagic was trolling when he stated that and I was referencing people outside of this forum when I stated that

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As well manufacturers come and go not you but a lot of people seem to forget we had only two manufacturers five years ago and the Mercedes-Benz's barely count as a manufacturer that was a privateer squad.
Couldnt agree more. Mercedes were never involved, I was referring to the departures of Ford and Volvo
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Couldnt agree more. Mercedes were never involved, I was referring to the departures of Ford and Volvo
Their departures are not reflective of the category it's reflective of the companies depleting profit margins/differentiating market approaches. Ford dealerships are vanishing/closing everywhere where I live they're becoming a rare sight. Ford Australia are rebounding of a 48 year low in sales in 2015 with an $191 million loss so they're departure was seemingly a way to reduce costs. In reference to Volvo they're coming out of 2016 where for the first time in a long time one of their models wasn't the top selling model in their home country Sweden (Volkswagen Gulf beat them). In addition they're heading away from Supercars engine model designs with their new 2018 models to be featuring hybrid engines it didn't make sense for their business to continue running in Supercars as it didn't reflect their marketing approach. They are taking this move to differentiate themselves from their European counterparts so running supercare didn't sense marketing wise so they withdrew. Manufacturers are a revolving door some will go some will enter that's how it's always been

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Their departures are not reflective of the category it's reflective of the companies depleting profit margins/differentiating market approaches.
When the series relies on manufacturer involvement, manufacturers departing the series is most certainly reflective of the category.
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When the series relies on manufacturer involvement, manufacturers departing the series is most certainly reflective of the category.
Yes but their both struggling Nissan and Holden aren't and they have resigned that's my point
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The catagory needs to be geared away from manufacturer reliance.
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The ATCC will continue to be awarded, the Bathurst 1000 will go on, and people will be employed.
I agree with the first and last points, CAMS could quite easily continue to hand out the ATCC to any series it liked, and there would still be employment in motorsport.

I'm not sure about the Bathurst part though. The 1000 these days is welded to the Supercars Championship. The category owns the event, they promote the event and the whole thing revolves around them. It wouldn't be as simple as just putting another category into the race, you'd need a whole new promoter & management of the event and would be basically starting from scratch (just like V8Supercars did when they started the event in 1997)
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But when they joined it was reflective of the strength of the category? Are you trying to have it both ways?
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But when they joined it was reflective of the strength of the category? Are you trying to have it both ways?
Never once stated that DRT
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