Looking for a F3 Screamer

eltong · 17 Jun 2009, 07:23 (Ref:2485010)

I am looking for a F3-1000cc but there doesn't seem to be much out there in the normal racecar sales websites.

So if anyone knows of one for sale in any condition please could you let me know elton@eltongoonan.com

Thanks for any help in advance,
Elton

terence · 17 Jun 2009, 11:24 (Ref:2485128)

Eltong,you should have an e-mail.

NHSL · 17 Jun 2009, 13:32 (Ref:2485211)

If you go to:

www.1000ccf3historicracingassociation.org.uk

then there is a "cars for sale" section and quite a reasonable choice at the moment. Sounds like you are heading for Monaco then?

Finn · 17 Jun 2009, 15:14 (Ref:2485260)

Some on here:

http://www.historicracing.org.uk/racecars4sale/f3.html

Also two on HSCC website including a tecno thats seems quite reasonable but needs proper engine.

Might be worth you popping to Brands on the 4th as I hear there are quite a few cars turning out.

eltong · 18 Jun 2009, 06:54 (Ref:2485691)

Been looking at those site but a lot of the cars are already sold but they haven't been removed which isn't helpful.

Wish I could get to Brands but I'm living in Sweden at the moment and we have a Historic meet at Ring Knutstorp the same weekend.

My plan was to run in in the Euro 1000cc series and maybe do some UK races but was read through their website last night and saw the Monaco news so that would be an added bonus but I'm running a track in Sweden at the moment and we have a big race weekend provisionally booked for the same weekend as Monaco so I'll have to wait and see!

Anyone know where/who could help me out with a rough idea on what it would cost to convert the Tecno that is on HSCC back to 1000cc spec, i.e. engine, manifolds, etc?

terence · 18 Jun 2009, 07:36 (Ref:2485714)

I think you will be looking at something in the region of 10 15k if starting from scratch.

James Murray · 18 Jun 2009, 10:15 (Ref:2485822)

Decent screamer will be at least £10k if not more. Gearbox wont be much just a conversion to 4 speed if it currently has 5 plus you would have to change the diff to a free one if it has lsd. I would think £3k to do this. As TB says 10-15k to get anywhere near plus the cost of the car, say £10k all adds up to £25k which is quite alot. You would be better buying this which would be similar money and ready to go and a better car.

http://www.classiccarsforsale.co.uk/...hp/carno/43305

eltong · 18 Jun 2009, 12:13 (Ref:2485872)

Quote:

Originally Posted by James Murray

Decent screamer will be at least £10k if not more. Gearbox wont be much just a conversion to 4 speed if it currently has 5 plus you would have to change the diff to a free one if it has lsd. I would think £3k to do this. As TB says 10-15k to get anywhere near plus the cost of the car, say £10k all adds up to £25k which is quite alot. You would be better buying this which would be similar money and ready to go and a better car.

http://www.classiccarsforsale.co.uk/...hp/carno/43305

= 60000€

terence · 18 Jun 2009, 12:53 (Ref:2485893)

So a totally imaculate B21 thats completely race ready is not so expensive then?

Robert_R · 18 Jun 2009, 13:06 (Ref:2485903)

Quote:

Originally Posted by terence bower

So a totally imaculate B21 thats completely race ready is not so expensive then?

From my own experience: buying a 'completely race-ready' Screamer, no matter how nice it looks on the pics, is an illusion. Of course it makes sense to buy a decent and complete car, but a good amount of sorting out (and investing time and money) will certainly be needed after the puchase.

But I guess that's more or less true for all racing cars, no matter which class.

Robert

terence · 18 Jun 2009, 13:25 (Ref:2485910)

Yes,I take your point but it largely depends on who is selling the car.

simon drabble · 18 Jun 2009, 14:15 (Ref:2485933)

all race ready cars normally need a load of work on them!!

James Murray · 18 Jun 2009, 19:36 (Ref:2486072)

Where did the 60000 euro come from, last time I looked it was half that. Maybe the Monaco invitation has doubled the price..........

driftwood · 23 Jun 2009, 21:36 (Ref:2489387)

i have 1970 tecno for sale needs mae and away ya go
why buy a car just for monaco at ist 3800 euro entry fee just to apply and then get refused
race car is for life not just monaco every 3 or 4 years!

simon drabble · 24 Jun 2009, 07:00 (Ref:2489540)

Quote:

Originally Posted by driftwood

i have 1970 tecno for sale needs mae and away ya go
why buy a car just for monaco at ist 3800 euro entry fee just to apply and then get refused
race car is for life not just monaco every 3 or 4 years!

nice call Driftwood.... never buy a car for an event - it will always lead to disappointment or poverty ;o)

terence · 24 Jun 2009, 07:21 (Ref:2489548)

I agree on those points,funny how just one event can start moving prices upwards,I see there is another BT21 for sale in Europe,at 65,000Eur!

eltong · 24 Jun 2009, 07:59 (Ref:2489564)

Thats for sure!!!

I've been in no rush to buy a car and have been keeping my eyes opening for a while and it has been suprising how much the value of the cars has increased over the past 6-8 weeks.

Monaco would be a great bonus but only that, a bonus.

My plan is the Euro series so I can get to drive at some great tracks again and against, hopefully, other drivers with the same idea and enjoy some great racing! Then enjoy a couple of beers and a laugh afterwards!

simon drabble · 24 Jun 2009, 08:07 (Ref:2489569)

am I not right in thinking that the problem with the series in period was the running costs of keeping a screamer going..... in which case it does seem crazy for them to be commanding FJ prices - no matter how pretty some of them are!

James Murray · 24 Jun 2009, 08:19 (Ref:2489577)

Think engine prices are similar to junior provided they're not revved to 11k or something daft. If the series gathers momentum people with plenty of dollar will come in and use the big rev and ruin it for everyone else possibly. Not like it hasnt happened before.

Eltong maybe you should consider a Formula Junior. Plenty of cars to choose from, always full grids, Euro and UK series etc. The Euro F3 barely get 10 cars at most of their races.

Alan Morgan · 24 Jun 2009, 16:54 (Ref:2489904)

Quote:

Originally Posted by simon drabble

am I not right in thinking that the problem with the series in period was the running costs of keeping a screamer going..... in which case it does seem crazy for them to be commanding FJ prices - no matter how pretty some of them are!

I ran MAE engined cars for three years in the late seventies. The key to reliability is preventitive maintenance. I did 17 races in 1979 with 100% reliability (I had the engine freshened part way through the season, I think it produced 117bhp on Geoff Richardson's dyno). I used to use 10,200 revs, and they had to be warmed up at 3000 revs. The problem with trying to restrict revs on an MAE is that there is no power at all below 7500, and you've only got a four speed box, so restricting your maximum revs greatly restricts your "power window".

Having said that, they are wonderful engines, and in the days before silencers, half a dozen of them warming up in close proximity in the paddock had to be felt to be believed - you literally couldn't hear yourself think!

A couple of years ago a very original-looking ex Francois Cevert Tecno was going for £17500 - I wonder what it would be worth now...

driftwood · 24 Jun 2009, 19:10 (Ref:2489997)

Glad you managed to say all that Alan i was going to post that the motors can be tempremental and need $$ time spent on them to keep them honest

i doubt big $$ owners will come into 1 litre F3 the little motor will not carry the weight well!
so who is up for my Tecno Murray sit down you can only have it if you take the Chevron!

and its not BOG off deal either!

eltong · 25 Jun 2009, 07:35 (Ref:2490256)

Hi Driftwood,

PM'd you yesterday with my email. Can you send me some info on the Tecno?

NHSL · 25 Jun 2009, 17:19 (Ref:2490562)

Not every 1 litre F3 car runs an MAE "screamer".... I run a BMC XSP "droner" in my car (a one off device called the Barnett) on the basis that if it was good enough for Jackie Stewart it should be vaguely OK for me.

If anybody can point me in the direction of someone else who is running a dry sumped BMC XSP engine I would be very grateful as I want to make sure my oil system is correctly plumbed.

It will be at Brands next weekend for the big 1 litre F3 turnout, hopefully on track.

Here is a question for all the engine experts:

The oil that escapes through the pressure relief valve on a dry sump engine should go where?

A - Back to the sump?
B - Back to the oil tank?
C - Back to the pressure pump inlet side?

Answers on a post please

Alan Morgan · 25 Jun 2009, 18:13 (Ref:2490587)

I can't help you with your plumbing conundrum (Delta might if he sees this) but there should be a Cooper at the Superprix with, I think, an XSP engine. I had a chat with the owner at the FJ lunch last year. He lives in Claygate, and I seem to recall that he has some historical connection with his car.

A Driver · 14 Jul 2009, 18:09 (Ref:2501751)

Just to whet your appettite, a few pics from Brands Hatch last week.

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