Carrera Cup 2009 - Page 4

alfacors · 12 Feb 2009, 04:12 (Ref:2395876)

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Originally Posted by Silver 3

The simple fact of a full grid at Bathurst -- 55 I think-- says it all . Does not happen by accident and incredible result for a Championship not yet a year old-- the title-- Australian Porsche GT3 Cup Challenge.
Series is pitched a certain ways and has recognized that ridiculous unwarranted cost are not wanted by the competitors.All of the forum racers that are not putting their hands in their pockets do not seem to think that issue important. You need to ask those that are doing the paying!
Regardless-- I think that this series will have excellent numbers in 2009 and I also expect the Porsche numbers at GT will give that series an undeserved shred of credibility.

It should be noted that the capacity grid at Bathurst is roughly 50% 944 Challenge cars. It's not purely GT3CC

Sheep Stations · 12 Feb 2009, 04:34 (Ref:2395880)

There is 21 944's in a field of 52...thats a very rough 50%

alfacors · 12 Feb 2009, 04:55 (Ref:2395882)

Hmmm, for some reason I had it written down as 25. Okay, then 40% is 944. I'm merely pointing out that it's not all GT3 Cup cars competing - as much as that would be an awesome spectacle

Sheep Stations · 12 Feb 2009, 04:59 (Ref:2395885)

944 Challenge boys had 25 spots available from a grid capacity of 55.

Things will get interesting after about 4 laps...check those mirrors!

alfacors · 12 Feb 2009, 05:11 (Ref:2395890)

I knew the number 25 was in there somewhere. Now the only question is where to shoot the action from in the races..... across the top will be great, but it will be elbows out into Murrays first lap!

Silver 3 · 12 Feb 2009, 05:30 (Ref:2395893)

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Originally Posted by alfacors

It should be noted that the capacity grid at Bathurst is roughly 50% 944 Challenge cars. It's not purely GT3CC

These are eligible cars for the series-- so your point was what?
A full grid is a full grid.

Silver 3 · 12 Feb 2009, 05:45 (Ref:2395895)

On the numbers an interesting aside for a few sceptics--- the series has widespread approval amongst Porsche racecar owners who are generally supportive of the managements efforts. When the series that this one came from ( Porsche Cup/APDC) last had competitor support it averaged 34 cars for the year on the grid. The following year-- when the individual (now in GT management) hijacked the series and went off on a tangent-- averaged 11!! Cams duely awarded the GT CMA to his company-- and that series has struggled ever since.
Must be some sort of coincidence that the first event of a year without that influence is now filling the grid again.

alfacors · 12 Feb 2009, 06:25 (Ref:2395898)

I'm not a sceptic, I love watching GT3CC as much as the next guy. Is 944 part of the series in 2009? Or competing on an invitational basis as it was in 2008? I ask because I would be keen to see full grids at PI, Morgan Park etc etc.

Sheep Stations · 12 Feb 2009, 06:43 (Ref:2395900)

944's are always eligible and welcome in GT3CC, but being a successful Victorian state-based series with the same basic mantra as GT3CC regarding cost effectiveness, travelling all over the eastern seaboard as well as their main series is probably a bit much for most.

Don't worry about numbers at P.I. or Morgan Park. The number of series entered competitors ensures large grids from the get go. Everyone loves to go to the Island anyway, and theres enough Queenslanders in the series to make up a pretty good grid at Morgan Park without a single Mexican turning up.

Belly13 · 12 Feb 2009, 06:52 (Ref:2395904)

Can't wait for next weekend. All the support categories, plus the 12 Hour, will be great.
I also love GT and Porsches especially. Will be great up the top next Friday watching them on their 1st practice session. BUT I'm also looking forward to Eastern Creek later in the year for the GT's...I hope there is a Porsche capable of winning the championship this year.

Does anyone have a copy of an entry list for the Porsche Challenge next weekend at Mount Panorama?

ff s conscience · 12 Feb 2009, 08:02 (Ref:2395936)

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Originally Posted by Sheep Stations

D.R.T., I'd like to be , having an affair with Kylie Minogue

...and anyone who doesn't like the sound of a 911 GT3 is a card carrying, hand-bag-swinging batsman for the other team.

whoooaaa there....

WAY too much revealed about you in THAT post

"A" 911 GT3 sounds nice, two or three sound pretty good too... but any more than that becomes a drone.... IMO.

Everything in moderation dear boy.

Silver 3 · 12 Feb 2009, 08:22 (Ref:2395952)

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Originally Posted by Belly13

Can't wait for next weekend. All the support categories, plus the 12 Hour, will be great.
I also love GT and Porsches especially. Will be great up the top next Friday watching them on their 1st practice session. BUT I'm also looking forward to Eastern Creek later in the year for the GT's...I hope there is a Porsche capable of winning the championship this year.

Does anyone have a copy of an entry list for the Porsche Challenge next weekend at Mount Panorama?

For the record--I love the mix of makes in GT and sportscar racing in general--so please do not get confused that there is anything against the competitors or cars -- it is the idiotic management and idelogy that the issue is with.
I am also not a great fan of "one type" racing ala Carrera Cup etc so am sympathetic on that one(note- that is a preference-- but sometimes it is simply not possible). While the GT3 Cup Challenge headline act is currently the 996 GT3 Cup's I believe moves are afoot to include a wider range of models( there is already a large number included) which can only enhance the series in the future and make it grow stronger in the future.So while theer is a class of "one type" racing there is still a good mix of models and performance characteristics.That is why the management of this series deserves some praise-- they have listened to competitors(and potential competitors) and are trying to reflect that-- a sharp contrast to other places.

Sheep Stations · 12 Feb 2009, 08:49 (Ref:2395967)

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Originally Posted by ff s conscience

whoooaaa there....

WAY too much revealed about you in THAT post

"A" 911 GT3 sounds nice, two or three sound pretty good too... but any more than that becomes a drone.... IMO.

Everything in moderation dear boy.

Granted, a Lamborghini induction noise is audio viagra...

But a Ferrari to me sounds like its screaming that your hurting it. If Ferraris played Rugby, they would be wingers.

ff s conscience · 13 Feb 2009, 08:25 (Ref:2396624)

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Originally Posted by Sheep Stations

Granted, a Lamborghini induction noise is audio viagra...

But a Ferrari to me sounds like its screaming that your hurting it. If Ferraris played Rugby, they would be wingers.

REALLY? Lambo induction?? you sure.... ?

I agree re Ferrrai... the V8's anyway. V12 is mansize though.

now if you meant Aston... THAT car is amazing.... HUGE induction noise on approach, followed by Ferrariesque wail once past you.

peterelise · 13 Feb 2009, 09:55 (Ref:2396684)

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Originally Posted by ff s conscience

REALLY? Lambo induction?? you sure.... ?

I agree re Ferrrai... the V8's anyway. V12 is mansize though.

now if you meant Aston... THAT car is amazing.... HUGE induction noise on approach, followed by Ferrariesque wail once past you.

I'm with you Phil, the Aston was the best sounding car on the grid last year. Might have some competition from the Mosler this year though...

Sultan · 13 Feb 2009, 22:07 (Ref:2397147)

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Originally Posted by Sheep Stations

Granted, a Lamborghini induction noise is audio viagra...

But a Ferrari to me sounds like its screaming that your hurting it. If Ferraris played Rugby, they would be wingers.

What you need to hear is the sound of a Ferrari with half a dozen webers attatched to it... Now that's heaven!

ff s conscience · 13 Feb 2009, 22:53 (Ref:2397173)

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Originally Posted by Sultan

What you need to hear is the sound of a Ferrari with half a dozen webers attatched to it... Now that's heaven!

You're almost right

the carburettor boxers are the best induction noise IMO... but they have only 4 carbs... all triple choke

Some of the twin choke carb V12 have a great sound too, but it's more an "engine" and "exhaust" noise rather than induction.

Boxers are eerily silent in actual engine noise, it's ALL induction with a hint of exhaust.

ff s conscience · 13 Feb 2009, 22:54 (Ref:2397175)

^ I LOVE that we're discussing this in the Carrera cup thread #snigger#

Silver 3 · 13 Feb 2009, 23:14 (Ref:2397183)

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Originally Posted by ff s conscience

^ I LOVE that we're discussing this in the Carrera cup thread #snigger#

A few ironies in the last few weeks!

The best noise in Australian motorsport-- Mike Roddy's V12 XJS Jaguar Sport Sedan( almost a sports car in some series). Is that engine related to the Aston?
Not a sportscar but another beautifull noise--Bob Muir's Lexus engined F3000--the heads come up everytime it goes past.

alfacors · 14 Feb 2009, 02:33 (Ref:2397233)

There's something special about Mike's Jag.... the engine and exhaust note changes so dramatically as it winds out through the rev-range.... pure magic. I hope it comes out to play more in 09.

ff s conscience · 14 Feb 2009, 08:37 (Ref:2397304)

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Originally Posted by Silver 3

The best noise in Australian motorsport-- Mike Roddy's V12 XJS Jaguar Sport Sedan. Is that engine related to the Aston?

Put it this way, if they were Tasmanian, they'd get it on

Bullett · 16 Feb 2009, 09:04 (Ref:2398351)

Mike's engines ex-TWR Le Mans engine downsized to fit the rules...you can hear it the whole way round PI

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