New A1 GP car for 2008!

[kerrmanningjarv]

http://www.a1gp.com/News/NewsArticle.aspx?newsId=41755 Hope we see a pic soon

[cos]

There's a couple here: http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpa...s_art_id=35444

They haven't got the new revised engine cover on their car yet though.

[Aslak Vind]

Originally Posted by diabloA1

Precisely

Actually, it has absolutely nothing to do with Malaysia. Ferrari´s workscolor is actually yellow, as Mclaren´s same is orange. So as the A1GP car is a Ferrari testcar until further notice, it is yellow.

The fact that Malaysia has the same color, is as far as I know, purely chance

[Aslak Vind]

Originally Posted by diabloA1

Yeah it really is actually a GT engine, based on the Ferrari GT2 class engine anyway. I do hope soon ferrari will provide a noisier, lighter V8(V12 is fine too ) making 750hp. AT least matching the Super League cars in power.. with the reliability of course. There is something about using V12s in single seaters thats special. It's so rare these days

That would really be something, I have been dreaming hot, wet dreams about a V12 in that car. The sound and the music is unique, and I agree there is something special about using V12´s in singleseaters.

But I must admit, that I agree with the posters who thinks that we should wait until we see what the current drivers can do with the 600 BHP F430 GT engine. Without being evil; it is not the greatest drivers in the world competing in A1GP. Which I think is fair enough, it is the way in for new nations into the world of motorsports.

About the Super League series?? Dont worry, it will never take off. It didnt last time, and it will not this time either..

But.. I do hope that the sound of that V8 sounds better live than on the video.. That deep bark from a singleseater is not very potent, I feel..

[diabloA1]

Originally Posted by Aslak Vind

Actually, it has absolutely nothing to do with Malaysia. Ferrari´s workscolor is actually yellow, as Mclaren´s same is orange. So as the A1GP car is a Ferrari testcar until further notice, it is yellow.

The fact that Malaysia has the same color, is as far as I know, purely chance

Yes thats true. I said 'precisely' in agreement to the conclusion made earlier by cos, that it just happened to be in Team Malaysia's colours

[Aslak Vind]

Originally Posted by diabloA1

Yes thats true. I said 'precisely' in agreement to the conclusion made earlier by cos, that it just happened to be in Team Malaysia's colours

Allright, my mistake

[diabloA1]

Configuration:
90 degree V8
Displacement:
4500cc
Width:
666.5 mm (max L&R cam covers width)
Height:
446(from bottom plane to max cam covers height)
Length:

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[diabloA1]

Something went terribly wrong with my my earlier posting attempt but here it is again,

Configuration:
90 degree V8

Displacement:
4500cc

Width:
666.5 mm (max L&R cam covers width)

Height:
446(from bottom plane to max cam covers height)

Length:
569 mm (from front pulley bolt to rear plane engine block flange)

Weight:
160kg

Cylinder block:
Die cast aluminium alloy

Cylinder head:
Sand cast aluminium alloy

Valve train:
Four overhead camshafts

Four valves per cylinder

Engine management:
Bosch MED 9.6

Injection:
Gasoline direct injection

Spark plugs:
NGK

Fuel:
Shell E10 102 RON

Max torque:
406 lbs ft 550 Nm

Max power:
600 bhp 448 Kw

New engine specs taken from A1GP.com's release today. 4.5L and making 600hp WITH Powerboost ON according to the rest of the article. Seems they are really focusing on reliability as specific output doesn't look as good as the old Zytek. The Zytek made more torque per Liter and without the direct injection feature specced in this new engine. Fuel is about the same in fact I think the Zytek ran on RON 100.

A1GP release also states that this engine would be basis of a new family of V8 in Ferrari road cars so commercially its a plus point for Ferrari to keep the engine fairly close to production spec.

The new engine is also 40kg heavier than the old. I guess trying to adapt a road engine to race spec will never be as easy as using an engine designed for racing right from the beginning like the Zytek units.

However I'm sure there would be more power to be gained from this new engine once they're happy with reliability, provided A1GP willing to pay for development.

[Kiwi3]

I thought there was supposed to be a public unveiling of the new Italy livery. It just seems to be an all white car with Mugello race promo stickers...I guess we'll have to wait longer to see the second team livery (after RSA).

P.S. I like it a bit better with the fin on the engine cover as it reminds me a bit of the Lola, i.e. an A1GP car instead of just another single seater.

[Aslak Vind]

The engine comes from the same new familiy, as the engine from the newly revealed Ferrari California. It will also be the basis for the next F430, and the next F70 with turbocharging - all with direct fuel injection as specified by Ferrari.

[diabloA1]

Originally Posted by Aslak Vind

The engine comes from the same new familiy, as the engine from the newly revealed Ferrari California. It will also be the basis for the next F430, and the next F70 with turbocharging - all with direct fuel injection as specified by Ferrari.

Interesting. I wonder if the next F430 will be the F450 since the unit in the race car is 4.5L

[nkfan]

so can anyone give a educated guess as to which will be faster around the track ?? GP2 or A1 car

Both produce around the same HP..but i think the GP2 car is a bit lighter

[Aslak Vind]

Originally Posted by diabloA1

Interesting. I wonder if the next F430 will be the F450 since the unit in the race car is 4.5L

This car is already being tested around Maranello. Actually in a modified F360 bodywork. But looking a bit strange around the back, as the roadcar has a big diffuser where the pipes used to sit.

Ther reason for moving up in engine cap, was to create space in the range for the new Maerati and Alfa V8 cars.

Sorry for off-thread.

[bradrive]

Originally Posted by nkfan

so can anyone give a educated guess as to which will be faster around the track ?? GP2 or A1 car

Both produce around the same HP..but i think the GP2 car is a bit lighter

GP2 will be marginally quicker. Reasons: lighter car (due to lighter engine), more engine hp/torque (the GP2 engine being a pure racing engine), more tyre grip (from 2009 Bridestone medium compound tyres), slightly better aero efficiency (due to different aero rules), quicker drivers (mean value of 10 best GP2 drivers compared with 10 best A1GP drivers).

[Kiwi3]

Originally Posted by bradrive

quicker drivers (mean value of 10 best GP2 drivers compared with 10 best A1GP drivers).

I disagree with this one! A1GP has more slower drivers at the back of the field but in the top half there are plenty of quick guys, including ex-F1 drivers and GP2 race winners. Plus guys like Albequeque who are at that level.

[RichardRenes]

Originally Posted by Kiwi3

I disagree with this one! A1GP has more slower drivers at the back of the field but in the top half there are plenty of quick guys, including ex-F1 drivers and GP2 race winners. Plus guys like Albequeque who are at that level.

I agree. The top 10 A1 drivers can teach the top 10 GP2 drivers a trick or 2. Especially in finishing races and keeping your testosterone levels in check.

For some reason, GP2 drivers approach each race asif it's the decisive one. Look at, say Ammermüller as to what the results can be when that happens

[diabloA1]

Originally Posted by bradrive

GP2 will be marginally quicker. Reasons: lighter car (due to lighter engine), more engine hp/torque (the GP2 engine being a pure racing engine), more tyre grip (from 2009 Bridestone medium compound tyres), slightly better aero efficiency (due to different aero rules), quicker drivers (mean value of 10 best GP2 drivers compared with 10 best A1GP drivers).

I'm not sure if the Renault V8 makes more torque. May not be that easy to predict that the GP2 car would be quicker. Lets wait and see.

[SALEEN S7R]

Originally Posted by bradrive

quicker drivers (mean value of 10 best GP2 drivers compared with 10 best A1GP drivers).

I agree, yes A1 GP has some very quick drivers but none from last season had done particularly well in GP2. As for the quick ex F1 drivers, yes they are quick but only in comparissan to the rest of the A1 GP grid which is mainly made up of F3 graduates and GP2 mid field runners. The drivers in GP2 are generally of a higher standard in my opinion both in terms of the young drivers and the ex F1 aces. Yes Pantano didnt do great in his F1 debut but chances are we could well see him back in F1 next year along with perhaps Senna and Grosjean. Anyone think we will see Yoong anywhere near a F1 grid again? Other than in perhaps EuroBOSS that is.

[Kiwi3]

Alex yoong is not a good example, he hasn't been consistently competitive in A1GP either, although he is better than his Minardi form suggested. Jani and Carroll...and I think if Alberqueque, Summerton, Kerr, Duval were in GP2 they'd be very competitive.

Actually often the ex-F1 drivers are not quick compared with the guys who have come up from F3 or those who have not had the opportunity, like Jonny Reid. There are some drivers with good reputations who come into A1GP thinking it will be easy and then realise they've underestimated it.

Alvaro Parente is often thereabouts is GP2 this season but he was only ever thereabouts in A1GP as well.

One of the reasons why I love GP2 as well is that I know I am watching a high standard but you also see some comedy (Pastor Maldonado ). I would therefore rate the two series as similar in standard.

[diabloA1]

Originally Posted by SALEEN S7R

I agree, yes A1 GP has some very quick drivers but none from last season had done particularly well in GP2. As for the quick ex F1 drivers, yes they are quick but only in comparissan to the rest of the A1 GP grid which is mainly made up of F3 graduates and GP2 mid field runners. The drivers in GP2 are generally of a higher standard in my opinion both in terms of the young drivers and the ex F1 aces. Yes Pantano didnt do great in his F1 debut but chances are we could well see him back in F1 next year along with perhaps Senna and Grosjean. Anyone think we will see Yoong anywhere near a F1 grid again? Other than in perhaps EuroBOSS that is.

Some of the past A1GP drivers did go into F1 and some are in F1 now. We will for sure see more A1GP drivers in F1 I'm sure. Likewise some A1GP drivers were F1 drivers. I would not say the calibre of drivers in A1GP are lacking, absolutely not for the top 10.

[SALEEN S7R]

Originally Posted by Kiwi3

One of the reasons why I love GP2 as well is that I know I am watching a high standard but you also see some comedy (Pastor Maldonado ). I would therefore rate the two series as similar in standard.

Yes the 2 series are of a similar standard but I would compare the top 5 drivers in A1 GP more with the top 5 in the WSR rather than GP2. You mention Parente is often "there or thereabouts" in GP2 this year. Personally I dont agree with that, yes he is joint 5th in the championship at the moment but he isnt anywhere near Pantano, Senna or Grosjean in terms of pace, or Di Grassi most of the time for that matter.

Drivers like Carroll have had their chances in GP2 and for whatever reason have failed to hit the top, yes Carroll has won a couple of races but he hasnt ever been in the same League as rookies Hamilton, Premat, Pantano or Piquet. As for Duval, has he really done enough to justify a place in GP2? Sure he did ok in Nippon but he didnt exactly shine in the F3 euroseries. IMO of course.

[nkfan]

Dont tell me this is the full livery of the italian car !!

[META4]

this is probably a Show car , AFAIK teams have not received yet their cars

[jackschmidt]

That looks like a car missing all the textures in an F1 game. haha.

[ger80]

Saw 2 cars in Assen last weekend