VOLVO OUT AT END OF 2016 (NOW CONFIRMED) - Page 14

**GTRMagic** · 17 Oct 2016, 04:49 (Ref:3680818)

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Originally Posted by Tourer

Not unexpected. I wonder who will represent Volvo? From all that we've heard and read, it would appear that the local arm of the company was supportive of continuing the relationship.

It may mean that some Swedes may need to fly out here for the mediation.

A mediator is there to get the parties talking but can't make rulings or give directions on outcome, only the court can do that.

Wonder what the impact of going against the head office might be on the VCA bods....

anthony81901 · 17 Oct 2016, 05:51 (Ref:3680827)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Wonder what the impact of going against the head office might be on the VCA bods....

The exit door would beckon. Am sure all will be acutely aware of Gothenburg's position and that is the position they will push irrespective of whether they agree with it.

Tourer · 17 Oct 2016, 06:30 (Ref:3680836)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Wonder what the impact of going against the head office might be on the VCA bods....

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Originally Posted by anthony81901

The exit door would beckon. Am sure all will be acutely aware of Gothenburg's position and that is the position they will push irrespective of whether they agree with it.

I suspect that the issue may be that as allegedly the communications from Volvo about possibly continuing and the decision some time ago to stop both involved Sweden, the employees here may not have been part of those discussions / decisions and the mediator or judge may insist that someone who was in the room takes part in the mediation process as they would have full knowledge.

Usually with legal proceedings, there is a requirement for "discovery" that requires each party to reveal internal documentation to the other party. If that is the case here, and what GRM is alleging appears to be true, it could all get fairly smelly.

**GTRMagic** · 17 Oct 2016, 06:32 (Ref:3680837)

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Originally Posted by anthony81901

The exit door would beckon. Am sure all will be acutely aware of Gothenburg's position and that is the position they will push irrespective of whether they agree with it.

The bloke who did the Volvo deal originally for VCA is a Supercar employee these days..

anthony81901 · 17 Oct 2016, 07:47 (Ref:3680848)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

The bloke who did the Volvo deal originally for VCA is a Supercar employee these days.

IIRC departed Volvo not long after the project went live...perhaps machinations back in 2014 led to this?

Mixer · 17 Oct 2016, 11:06 (Ref:3680874)

Unfortunately the court is following due process here but the fact remains GRM are screwed. Nothing is going to happen on the timeframe they need.

Axeman444 · 17 Oct 2016, 21:11 (Ref:3680983)

And with a mediation result due by mid February. When is Clipsal?

GRM are screwed if they don't get the result they are after, and will have to have Plan B to fall back on. Trouble is, Plan B will cost money, which will then be wasted if the mediation is successful.

anthony81901 · 17 Oct 2016, 21:22 (Ref:3680985)

If nothing comes of the mediation, which is probably the most likely scenario, GRM may seek an interim ruling to maintain the status quo pending a full trial in the new year.

**GTRMagic** · 17 Oct 2016, 22:05 (Ref:3680991)

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Originally Posted by anthony81901

If nothing comes of the mediation, which is probably the most likely scenario, GRM may seek an interim ruling to maintain the status quo pending a full trial in the new year.

How do you force a team to keep providing engines to a series they don't want to support?

A court case will help make that so, but still...

peckstar · 17 Oct 2016, 22:20 (Ref:3680992)

however cant take the cars away either or stop them from racing while mediation is happening

**GTRMagic** · 17 Oct 2016, 22:48 (Ref:3680995)

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however cant take the cars away either or stop them from racing while mediation is happening

They can stop sending fresh engines here... air freight issues etc...

peckstar · 17 Oct 2016, 22:52 (Ref:3680996)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

They can stop sending fresh engines here... air freight issues etc...

sure, can Garry do them in house though

**GTRMagic** · 17 Oct 2016, 23:00 (Ref:3680997)

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Originally Posted by peckstar

sure, can Garry do them in house though

Rebuilds, most likely... but not development...

peckstar · 17 Oct 2016, 23:05 (Ref:3680998)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Rebuilds, most likely... but not development...

maybe that's enough to get through to 2018 with a new manufacturer

Mixer · 18 Oct 2016, 11:11 (Ref:3681071)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Rebuilds, most likely... but not development...

He has no IP, he hasn't been building the engines. He cannot continue with those engines without Cyan.

Driver TBA · 19 Oct 2016, 05:00 (Ref:3681279)

I still reckon Gary knows he won't be running Volvo's next year. More likely going for a cash settlement to help with the cost of changeover?

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Mixer · 19 Oct 2016, 05:16 (Ref:3681282)

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Originally Posted by Driver TBA

I still reckon Gary knows he won't be running Volvo's next year. More likely going for a cash settlement to help with the cost of changeover?

First I think the chance of it happening is slim to nil, then if he ever were to get anything it will get drawn out, there's no way I could see him getting money in time to run anything next year or probably even the year after...

**GTRMagic** · 1 Nov 2016, 11:49 (Ref:3684494)

The World According To Garry

mayhem · 2 Nov 2016, 07:23 (Ref:3684689)

GRM in race against time

Compromised · 2 Nov 2016, 19:40 (Ref:3684841)

Really don't get why Garry proceeded with all this. Sure, you may be in the right, but as others have said, anything Court related is going to be a long drawn out process. Not exactly helpful when you've got a relatively tight, set in stone schedule to work to.

I just don't see the benefit I'm sorry

**GTRMagic** · 2 Nov 2016, 23:09 (Ref:3684888)

The benefit seems to be that since GRM acknowledge that the engines belong to Polestar/Cyan and unless something changes, they will go back to Sweden at the end of the season, that team potentially have chassis with no powerplants next year.

There are ways and means of doing something differently, sourcing from WP may be an option here (the Dragon engines are apparently already WP, albeit an older spec..) inside the existing Volvo architecture.

Or they could reskin the existing fleet of 3 Volvos into Holdens.

The challenge then is the loss of financial contribution (i.e. free engines, support from Volvo Financial Services & Volvo Australia etc) from such a change. Holden isn't likely to top up the GRM budget to that same extent.

Hopefully the lords & masters in Europe acknowledge whatever Mr Rogers is saying has happened and allows another season with their support/technical assistance

Umai Naa · 2 Nov 2016, 23:16 (Ref:3684890)

Is this a case where everything remains as is, while there are court procedings?

Or does the contract termination still occur, regardless?

**GTRMagic** · 2 Nov 2016, 23:35 (Ref:3684895)

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Originally Posted by Umai Naa

Is this a case where everything remains as is, while there are court procedings?

Or does the contract termination still occur, regardless?

I pity the blokes and blokeettes charged with repo-ing the engines...

D.R.T. · 3 Nov 2016, 14:33 (Ref:3685032)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Hopefully the lords & masters in Europe acknowledge whatever Mr Rogers is saying has happened and allows another season with their support/technical assistance

Despite a contract saying otherwise?

Hopefully Volvo and the courts enforce the contract that GRM signed and everyone can move on.

I wonder if roles were reversed how Gary would be commenting?

peckstar · 3 Nov 2016, 20:48 (Ref:3685122)

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Originally Posted by D.R.T.

Despite a contract saying otherwise?

Hopefully Volvo and the courts enforce the contract that GRM signed and everyone can move on.

I wonder if roles were reversed how Gary would be commenting?

I'm sorry thats an A Hole comment, hoping that a big multinational company can bring a a small Australian comment to its knees

you dont even know whats in the contract but you are happy to pass opinion. based on the one little titbit that you have

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