Dennis`s remark to Horner

[teammoda]

On the BBC forum program Christian Horner said that whilst on the grid before the race Ron Dennis warned Horner about Vettal and Webber having contact with other cars during the race.Why is it Dennis has to get s****y when Mclarens backs are against the wall?......Ironically Webber came out better with he`s contact with Lewis,wonder what Ron thought of that!

[GolddustMini]

i guess ron is more than aware that unlike the built like a bus suspension on the red bulls and ferraris the mclaren is more like a peace of bone china, and he was actually pleeding with horner not to let his drivers get anywhere near the mclaren.

maybe it would be better if mclaren made some slightly stronger nascar spec suspension for hamiltons car.

[teammoda]

Originally Posted by GolddustMini

i guess ron is more than aware that unlike the built like a bus suspension on the red bulls and ferraris the mclaren is more like a peace of bone china, and he was actually pleeding with horner not to let his drivers get anywhere near the mclaren.

maybe it would be better if mclaren made some slightly stronger nascar spec suspension for hamiltons car.

Yes well observed this must have been the basis for Dennis`s remark,but what a concern for Mclaren knowing that fighting for track space will normally see them coming off second best,not good at this stage of the championship.

[ralf fan]

Tongue in cheek comment and a bit of banter between two head honchos of teams? Everything doesn't have to be serious you know.

[teammoda]

Further to this this does not bode well for Hamiltons championship at all as we have seen in the last two races.Hamilton is an out and out racer and give him inch and he will take it but with the brittle Mclaren he will always as we have seen come off worse.

[teammoda]

Originally Posted by ralf fan

Tongue in cheek comment and a bit of banter between two head honchos of teams? Everything doesn't have to be serious you know.

Didnt come over as that with Horner.

[Splatz the Cow]

Being an out-and-out racer is one thing, but initiating contact is another, and kind of defeats the purpose.

[Peter Mallett]

Originally Posted by teammoda

Didnt come over as that with Horner.

I thought it did, just a bit of banter between equals.

[garcon]

I didn't see it, but I'm struggling to imagine Ron Dennis smile, let alone indulge in light-hearted banter.

[Peter Mallett]

Who mentioned smiling or lighthearted?

[wnut]

Originally Posted by GolddustMini

i guess ron is more than aware that unlike the built like a bus suspension on the red bulls and ferraris the mclaren is more like a peace of bone china, and he was actually pleeding with horner not to let his drivers get anywhere near the mclaren.

maybe it would be better if mclaren made some slightly stronger nascar spec suspension for hamiltons car.

Given that there is generally "a bit" of contact in racing, you would think the designers would build in some redundancy for contact.
It is ironic that Newey's car which are considered on "the edge" seem quite robust in wheel to wheel contact situations.

[Born Racer]

Originally Posted by garcon

I didn't see it, but I'm struggling to imagine Ron Dennis smile, let alone indulge in light-hearted banter.

Rumour has it he smashed his head through one of the monitors in the garage.

[Peter Mallett]

Originally Posted by wnut

Given that there is generally "a bit" of contact in racing, you would think the designers would build in some redundancy for contact.
It is ironic that Newey's car which are considered on "the edge" seem quite robust in wheel to wheel contact situations.

Don't forget, the reason Lewis' wheel came of at Monza was due to the tyre-to-tyre contact. That didn't happen at Signapore.

[Grandpa_Rob]

Originally Posted by Born Racer

Rumour has it he smashed his head through one of the monitors in the garage.

Could be an easier way to get your head on TV....

[ChrisPage]

I don't think the Macca is particularly brittle, and I'm surprised there is any allusion to it. Hamilton had two races where he had the 'misfortune' to contact another car in a way that there suspention was hit at its strongest and his the weakest. I think EJ's comments on a fragile car were more tongue in cheek, but everyone seems to have picked it up and run with it.

The Red Bull didn't seem hugely resilient when Vettel and Webber got up close and personal in Turkey!

[Splatz the Cow]

O contrare. Remember at Barce when Vettel had a damaged car and was asked to take it easy and avoid the kerbs. Well being the numbnuts that he is, he only backed off by about a second, and still continued to smash across every kerb he could find. Amazingly the car didn't break and he made it home. I think that RBR is designed pretty well. But then it would have to be with Vettel and Webber as drivers.

[stripedcat]

Originally Posted by Splatz the Cow

O contrare. Remember at Barce when Vettel had a damaged car and was asked to take it easy and avoid the kerbs. Well being the numbnuts that he is, he only backed off by about a second, and still continued to smash across every kerb he could find. Amazingly the car didn't break and he made it home. I think that RBR is designed pretty well. But then it would have to be with Vettel and Webber as drivers.

I think it was brake problems that Vettel had at Barcelona. That is why he had to back off and let the car's drag slow him down at the braking zones.

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by garcon

I didn't see it, but I'm struggling to imagine Ron Dennis smile, let alone indulge in light-hearted banter.

Didn't he switch Eddie's mic off at Silverstone?

[Dan Fielden]

Originally Posted by Splatz the Cow

Being an out-and-out racer is one thing, but initiating contact is another, and kind of defeats the purpose.

I see your point with the whole monza incident but Webber hitinh him at the rear was kind of out of his hands IMO.

Another point worth mentioning, hamilton had a puncture, his suspention wasn't damaged in the contact.

[TF110]

Hamilton wasn't at fault, webber didn't heed the position, which is expected, but Hammy said after the incident that it wasn't webs fault. I don't think the car is fragile, not more so than any other F1 car on the grid. He got punted across the track and curbing, that did enough to end his race. But you gotta give credit to Hammy, he went to pass instead of 'follow the leader' like you see a lot of other drivers do. This is why I rate him so highly, he'll give you what you want, passing. Come to expect it of him, most of the time it gets done.

[manwell]

Originally Posted by TF110

Hamilton wasn't at fault, webber didn't heed the position, which is expected, but Hammy said after the incident that it wasn't webs fault. I don't think the car is fragile, not more so than any other F1 car on the grid. He got punted across the track and curbing, that did enough to end his race. But you gotta give credit to Hammy, he went to pass instead of 'follow the leader' like you see a lot of other drivers do. This is why I rate him so highly, he'll give you what you want, passing. Come to expect it of him, most of the time it gets done.

hahaha..... Webber didnt "heed he position"?
HE DIDNT HAVE TO!!!! The fact that you then go on the say Webber was expected to is just laughable.
Hamilton was trying to pass Webber, he coulnt make it stick. Thats his fault.


On heeding the position, apart from Ferraris No,2 drivers, i dont know any racer that would heed a position.

'Oh, i can see him in my mirrors, yeap he's getting close, might just let him past me with out a fight eh?'

Pffffffftttt......

[E.B]

Originally Posted by manwell

hahaha..... Webber didnt "heed he position"?
HE DIDNT HAVE TO!!!! The fact that you then go on the say Webber was expected to is just laughable.
Hamilton was trying to pass Webber, he coulnt make it stick. Thats his fault.


On heeding the position, apart from Ferraris No,2 drivers, i dont know any racer that would heed a position.

'Oh, i can see him in my mirrors, yeap he's getting close, might just let him past me with out a fight eh?'

Pffffffftttt......

Yet some were blaming Heikki for the accident Mark caused at Valencia when Mark seemingly expected Heikki to not want to dice for position and melt away into the background to let Mark pass at the first opportunity.

[wnut]

Originally Posted by manwell

hahaha..... Webber didnt "heed he position"?
HE DIDNT HAVE TO!!!! The fact that you then go on the say Webber was expected to is just laughable.
Hamilton was trying to pass Webber, he coulnt make it stick. Thats his fault.


On heeding the position, apart from Ferraris No,2 drivers, i dont know any racer that would heed a position.

'Oh, i can see him in my mirrors, yeap he's getting close, might just let him past me with out a fight eh?'

Pffffffftttt......

Couldn't agree with you more..

Heikki is just scenery, not in the race at all!

Maybe one day, with a different driver..

[Mr V]

Originally Posted by Splatz the Cow

O contrare. Remember at Barce when Vettel had a damaged car and was asked to take it easy and avoid the kerbs. Well being the numbnuts that he is, he only backed off by about a second, and still continued to smash across every kerb he could find. Amazingly the car didn't break and he made it home. I think that RBR is designed pretty well. But then it would have to be with Vettel and Webber as drivers.

If he finished the race, doesn't this actually prove that Seb, aka, numbnuts, was right to carry on as he did? Surely, had he not finished, then, only then would he be considered a numbnuts?

[Aysedasi]

Originally Posted by Mr V

If he finished the race, doesn't this actually prove that Seb, aka, numbnuts, was right to carry on as he did? Surely, had he not finished, then, only then would he be considered a numbnuts?

I'm with Splatz's 'numbnuts'. He got lucky......

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