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He gives LMP1 regulations, Indy aero and Andretti's plans as factors which suggests a multi-discipline future possibly? http://www.crash.net/f1/news/881974/1/alonso-mclaren-f1-engine-call-not-biggest-factor-in-deciding-future |
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Deadline was for McLaren to make a decision. Not an announcement.
We'll have to wait a little bit longer for that. It was never going to be the Tuesday after Monza. Too many issues to be sorted. Crofty was a bit too eager. |
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Well hopefully we'll know by Singapore
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8 Sep 2017, 10:29 (Ref:3765379) | #829 | ||
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Both Boullier and Alonso have only committed to being 'hopeful' of knowing the situation by Singapore.
It sounds like McLaren still haven't decided their CoA. Is Wolff's latest comment aimed at RBR/STR? http://www.crash.net/f1/news/881976/1/wolff-stresses-importance-of-respect-between-f1-manufacturer-rivals |
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How about... Renault engines show up at McLaren, and they are badged as Hondas... like the TAG Heuers at Red Bull Racing
Honda can shift their own rabble to Toro Rosso.. and figure out what is missing from their program.. and come back to McLaren if necessary. Easy? |
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8 Sep 2017, 11:11 (Ref:3765390) | #831 | |
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Well they are all competitive, but must at the same time have respect, so they all know where they are with each other
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8 Sep 2017, 11:51 (Ref:3765407) | #832 | ||
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I very, very much doubt you could badge an engine as a rival brand.
That is never going to happen, maybe you could badge as Renault as a Nissan or infiniti obviously, but not a brand that has nothing to do with the source manufacturer. AS what is the point? everyone would know it's really a Renault, same as everyone knows Red Bull use one, I never understood why they did that in the first place!! |
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Yes, that definitely won't happen.
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McLaren Honda will shortly be no more as McLaren Renault is about to become a reality for 3 years up to the end of the 2020 season.
http://classic.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/131767 McLaren will have nowhere to hide as they will have the same motors as Red Bull and an improving Renault. |
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I'll await the official announcement but it looks like I'm due a trip to the chocolate hat shop as I've said all along that McL will have to stick with Hon next yer.
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numerous sites now reporting it including motorsports.com...between that and autosport i would say its official.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/m...ership-952183/ about time too! however it turns out in 2018 for Mclaren, Honda, Renault, STR, and RB, its going to be a fun ride! very excited to see what they all can do now...pretty much have already shifted my focus to 2018. the 2017 is now dead to me! |
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It could be interesting if McLaren were to kick Red Bulls 4$$ to be top dog in the Renault stakes, but it should be fun to watch.
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13 Sep 2017, 10:08 (Ref:3766474) | #839 | |
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At last, they have a decent engine in the back of their car. Hopefully Fred and Stoffel will be in the top ten where they belong more often.
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BBC reports that the driver pairing at McLaren remains unchanged for 2018.
Renault and STR driver position probably next to be confirmed. |
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Ive just found an interesting stat, Alonso retired more (12 times) with engine/drive train related issues at Honda then he did in his whole career from 2001 onwards (11 times).
2001, France, Minardi 2003, Austria, Renault 2003, France, Renault 2003, USA, Renault 2003, Japan, Renault 2006, Italy, Renault 2008, Spain, Renault 2009, Hungary, Renault 2010, Malaysia, Ferrari 2014, Italy, Ferrari 2014, Japan, Ferrari ------------------------------------------ 2015, Malaysia, McLaren 2015, Monaco, McLaren 2015, Canada, McLaren 2015, Italy, McLaren 2015, Mexico, McLaren 2016, Spain, McLaren 2016, Austria, McLaren 2017, Bahrein, McLaren 2017, Canada, McLaren 2017, UK, McLaren 2017, Belgium, McLaren 2017, Italy, McLaren |
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Now that everything has been confirmed and Honda is going Toro Rosso what are the chances there are any new Honda updates for the McLaren this season? I think they have rumbled about new versions and engine builds but will McLaren be happy with them testing new stuff to help STR for 2018 this season? It's not like anything Honda will show up with this season could possibly be passed to, or wanted by, Renault; legally of course but would anyone want information from Honda other than don't do that?
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Question: McLaren Honda, can they compete?
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Answer: No. http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/3...-hope-to-hell/ |
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15 Sep 2017, 16:04 (Ref:3767144) | #844 | |
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Yes it seemed they had finally got there last season, now they've just slid back down again. It's bizarre
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its a poor descision on many levels (financially, logically, strategically), i think the only way it made sense was emotionally (which just makes it an even poorer descision).
by the way, am i the only thinking that alonso and the team did so many japanese etiquette no-gos, that at the end, it wasnt even mclaren's descision? i mean based on how early this season honda made obvious moves to secure another team (even way before the matsushita/sauber friday test), i have a feeling that their thinking process was to focus on another team regardless, and just wait for mclaren to dig their 80 million dollar grave by ending the deal prematurely. of course its just my speculation, but thats how it came across to me. im no expert but my father has a business involvement in japan, and he says that openly making a japanese person/product/idea a subject of ridiculousness (something alonso often did, claming that he drives a gp2 car, etc, etc just to make sure that the whole world understand how bloody good he is, and how bad honda is) is a fatal thing to commit in japanese business circles. |
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An interesting take, from Honda motorsport chief Masashi Yamamoto. I liked the cuisine analogy.
http://classic.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/131892 |
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Now that it is effectively over (even if they have to finish out the season together), it seems Honda is maybe a bit more willing to have their say. I have seen it written elsewhere that "maybe" what Honda is speaking to is that McLaren may have had a voice in which of the earlier engine concepts should move forward. And that the concept that was selected (speculation on my part) might have been selected due to it's low weight (maybe part of the size zero solution). And that maybe this was contrary to what Honda had wanted to do. That one of the other concepts may have shown more promise, but would have been a heavier solution or some other issue ended up making it less attractive to McLaren. Or it might be that McLaren just didn't like whatever forward thinking that maybe Honda was pushing (which might be the solution they tried to use and it failed). As I say... lots of speculation. Either way, I have no doubt there is MUCH more to the story than what we have heard up to this point. I suspect Honda may continue to be relatively tight lipped on whatever internal disagreement they may have had (or still have) with McLaren. Of course, who wouldn't want to know! Richard |
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I wonder if they thought that making the McLaren operation dependent on Honda and delivering a sub standard PU into the McLaren operation may have opened up the possibility of acquiring McLaren? This Honda power unit has just been bad beyond belief, and has to have compromised the McLaren brand and its attractiveness to third parties. Succeeded in getting rid of Ron for a whole bunch of reasons. Zak Brown still does not seem to have brought new sponsorship on board. Tin hat time? |
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It was a comment at the end of a short article, so we may have missed the nuances of context too. I wonder if you could take the 'fine French cuisine' labelling as a team that is very demanding, that they have previously dealt with first rate partners before and know what should be expected from them, and when Honda's solutions to failures were not logical to McLaren bods, or were fixes to something there was already a Honda 'fix' supposedly in place for, tempers on the team side would undoubtedly get short. Toro Rosso may be used to second string supply, as in few developments or pushing the absolute edge of performance because of their paradigms of budget, technical capability/capacity or some other thing. And maybe Honda thinks Toro Rosso are going to let stuff slide... It will be interesting down the back of the grid next year, the Sauber/Haas/Toro Rosso battle for last place will be a fight to the end! |
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