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Old 11 Oct 2005, 16:25 (Ref:1430861)   #1
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Old 11 Oct 2005, 16:34 (Ref:1430876)   #2
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Thread here already up and running on this.
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Old 12 Oct 2005, 18:02 (Ref:1432071)   #3
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man, that looks so exiting!
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Old 12 Oct 2005, 20:55 (Ref:1432188)   #4
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Snetterton without 'Russell' no no no!!
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Old 12 Oct 2005, 21:19 (Ref:1432203)   #5
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Snetterton without 'Russell' no no no!!
As in the other thread about this !
I for 1 feel russels going is great !
not as good as the fast flick that used to be there
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Old 12 Oct 2005, 23:15 (Ref:1432256)   #6
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As in the other thread about this !
I for 1 feel russels going is great !
not as good as the fast flick that used to be there
Pity this will wreck Sear though.
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Old 12 Oct 2005, 23:19 (Ref:1432259)   #7
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acctuley it will be moved to the orginal sear
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Old 12 Oct 2005, 23:28 (Ref:1432268)   #8
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acctuley it will be moved to the orginal sear
It may use the original Sear, but in the "original" days, it didn't have a chicane and a hard right before it and a right-left flick after it! Bring back the Norwich Straight/Hairpin (and kill that silly chicane before it gets put in)!
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Old 12 Oct 2005, 23:29 (Ref:1432269)   #9
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point taken, but In retrospect I still think this is a great idea !
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Old 13 Oct 2005, 00:11 (Ref:1432286)   #10
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One word:

"ugh"

Ladies and gentlemen, we give you... *drumroll*... "swtichback-hairpin-ring" *audience gasps*

Ok, so the positives are a banked infield corner like Shell Hairpin at Oulton that looks quite good, and a nice medium/high speed left turn onto the straight, but which doesn't look that challenging though.

BUT

Coram loosened?!?!?! Make one of the most challenging corners in the country LESS difficult?!?! Two very tight hairpins (read, probably tightest in the country), although after high speed corners, might be quite interesting under braking, but what are the overtaking chances? And that whole first infield looks to me like a cross between the Merc Arena at Nurby and the Stowe circuit at Silverstone, neither of which is noted for being that inspiring to drive. And we've got rid of Russell at last, hurrah! But hang on, we've stuck another similarly irritating chicane in elsewhere in the lap. And just think of the effect on average speeds...

OK, I'm not sure an awful lot more could have been done given the land available, but in my mind this isn't much of an improvement, certainly not to drive at least. It just seems like a case of lengthening for lengthening's sake. I hope I'm proved wrong...
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Old 13 Oct 2005, 07:02 (Ref:1432383)   #11
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Bring back the Norwich Straight/Hairpin
If only......!
The staff at Snett tell me they hear this SO often..
But sadly impossible. One of the previous owners of the site foolishly sold the land off to the market company years ago. Hard to recognise the old hairpin area up there now on what is known as Beacon Hill.
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Old 13 Oct 2005, 07:07 (Ref:1432385)   #12
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Coram loosened?!?!?! Make one of the most challenging corners in the country LESS difficult?!?! ...
Should still be quite a challenge though surely as it will be faster, with a much slower corner straight after? Riches should be quicker though, will still need 'big ones' for that and then another huge brake.
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Old 13 Oct 2005, 12:39 (Ref:1432661)   #13
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Looks a bit rubbish to me...

I really can't see anything to like about it, a few ridiculous hairpins interupting a few short straights...
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Old 13 Oct 2005, 12:46 (Ref:1432670)   #14
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A few short straights!
Revett will still be a very long straight and the pit straight will effectively be longer, as the new banked left hander at Russell will be set further back then the present hideous chicane. The gentle right hand curve onto the pit straight will be easy flat. One reason teams like to test at Snett is the long straights and the variety of corners. This can only be enhanced by these new plans surely?
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Old 13 Oct 2005, 12:57 (Ref:1432684)   #15
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I was refering to the particularly nasty looking section following the first corner mainly. It 'interupts' in the sense that it takes out the straight between there and sear altogether. Essentially you've now got 6 consecutive slow corners and some tight esses leading onto a shorter Revett straight. If anything it detracts for the variety of the current circuit.

'Mickey Mouse' comes to mind...
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Old 13 Oct 2005, 16:24 (Ref:1432852)   #16
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That looks like a good layout, much better than the current one although I expect people will disagree.
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Old 13 Oct 2005, 16:27 (Ref:1432855)   #17
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Now, i dont have a very big knowledge of Snetterton, but from what i see, that new layout is very mickey mouse, compared to the old one.
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Old 13 Oct 2005, 16:30 (Ref:1432860)   #18
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The driver reaction to it has been quite favourable.
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Old 13 Oct 2005, 23:08 (Ref:1433171)   #19
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Old 13 Oct 2005, 23:20 (Ref:1433176)   #20
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It has been designed by Jonathan Palmer himself. The new banked corner at Russell will make for a great overtaking opportunity at Riches, which will be much more of a challenge with a hairpin immediately after it.
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Old 13 Oct 2005, 23:22 (Ref:1433177)   #21
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nooo... it's going to be Tilked
Seeing as The Tilkinator has nothing to do with this project.....no.

Anyway, I have my doubts about the layout (partly that silly-looking chicane in the near Sear), but we won't know until we see races on the new layout.

EDIT: Got beaten to the first part of my post by Ian...*tries to shake fist in the air menacingly, but instead fails and looks even worse*
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That Snetterton make-over is really crap. It takes away the essence of the track, IMHO. I'm not too familiar with the circuit, but I quite liked it on TOCA Touring Car 2. The chicane before start-finish straight was/is horrible, though.

Here's my view on the revamped track. I tried to keep the spirit of the track intact: long(ish) straights and fast corners. Ofcourse, in order to lengthen it, I had to add a hairpin-like turn somewhere. However, the multiple slow corners on Palmer's proposal are gone. Instead I inserted a Parabolica-like turn.



Blue is the original track, red the Palmer proposal and yellow-grey my view. Tell me what you think!
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I actually think that that edit is much worse than Palmer's proposals. You have destroyed Riches, one of the best corners in British racing, and while I do prefer the run to T2 left un-interrupted you have then halved the length of the Revett Straight, the longest straight in the UK & one of the circuit's main selling points. The top chicane is also just right how it is and needs no changing. I do like your new Russell Chicane though, much more challenging than the old one.
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Old 17 Oct 2005, 06:51 (Ref:1435718)   #24
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Thanks for the reply, AW. As I said, I'm not too familiar with Snetterton, so I'm sorry if I ruined anything.

So the trouble with making changes to snetterton is that most corners are loved by fans (and drivers as well) apart from the hideous Russell chicane. So why not make a change there, add an infield bit and then return to the main straight?
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So the trouble with making changes to snetterton is that most corners are loved by fans (and drivers as well) apart from the hideous Russell chicane. So why not make a change there, add an infield bit and then return to the main straight?
I think that's exactly what JP has tried to do. Russell has completely changed (and rightly so), and an infield bit has been added - due to the layout of Snett that's really the only place it can go (try and put it next to the Revett and that ruins the straight; inside of Bombhole/Coram will ensure those corners change different; and there's nowhere for one to go on the Senna (Start/Finish) straight).
As a result of these infield bit there's needed to be the change to Sear, but that's relatively minorin comparison. The other big advantage is the infield sector doesn't need to be used, and the run between Riches and Sear can be maintained.

So I really don't think that the spirit of the track has been taken away by JP's modifications - there's still the long straights and fast corners (Riches will of course be super quick with the change to Russell) with the majority of the circuit unchanged, I'm looking forward to it
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