[Driver] Sutil 2012?

[Mr V]

Originally Posted by mac

To just say Vettel won the world championship, so the Red Bull is the best car and Webber is in fourth and hasn't won a race so he is rubbish is, frankly, dim.

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Care to point out to me where i said that Webber was rubbish?

I was making a valid point that for whatever reason one driver can make a difference over his team mate.

Whether it upsets you to hear it or not, had their been 2 Mark Webbers in the Red Bull this year, by that i mean 2 drivers who can't make their tyres last then Jenson would most likely have been Champion this year, that's the difference i'm trying to point out.

[Mr V]

Not to go too far off topic (or even further already )

Shockingly honest admission from Mark (as usual)

Originally Posted by Mark Webber

"Sometimes you look at what Seb does and think i can't do that"

[TF110]

Where was DiResta this weekend? Behind Sutil. He may be 'new' but it's his 2nd year. I don't see what the big fuss is over him being kept over Sutil. I think it's Mercedes engine deal putting him there. I'm not saying he's lackluster, but neither is Sutil. I think he's as good as Rosberg, and we see how he's beating Shumacher. Next year I hope Mercedes is more competitive and we'll see how much influence Michael has in the car and what it can do. As for Hulk Sutil and DiResta, I hope Sutil keeps his drive, if not it's a shame.

[mac]

Originally Posted by Mr V

Care to point out to me where i said that Webber was rubbish?

It was implied... It's more your general, sarcastic, indirect and passive aggressive tone whenever you post about Mark...

Originally Posted by Mr V

As Mark Webber has proved this season, a good car isn't everything, the driver has to do his bit too.

Implying that the driver hasn't done his bit this year... Well, he won four races last year - and was thought to be a pretty high quality driver... You don't lose it in an off-season.

Originally Posted by Mr V

Indeed, but surely Mark has to be the best example for this season?

Suggesting Mark is the "best example" of a driver not "doing his bit" this year... Ah, unlikely. While he may not be on Seb's level, there is some rationale for this - which I elaborated on in my post.

Originally Posted by Mr V

He'd also have a good excuse

Suggesting he doesn't have a good excuse now... Well, they may not be excuses, but there are good reasons for where Mark finds himself this season - hence my outlining those reasons...

Originally Posted by Mr V

I was making a valid point that for whatever reason one driver can make a difference over his team mate.

By throwing in the "for whatever reason" comment, you disassociate yourself from the implication that he doesn't have a good excuse this year (and yes I know you included a )... Well, sometimes there are reasons, good ones, and I don't think you do yourself justice when you simply gloss over them.

Love you, V...

Back OT... Why wouldn't Vijay just keep di Resta and Sutil? I don't see the major need to shake things up...

[ptclaus98]

Originally Posted by TF110

Where was DiResta this weekend? Behind Sutil. He may be 'new' but it's his 2nd year. I don't see what the big fuss is over him being kept over Sutil. I think it's Mercedes engine deal putting him there. I'm not saying he's lackluster, but neither is Sutil. I think he's as good as Rosberg, and we see how he's beating Shumacher. Next year I hope Mercedes is more competitive and we'll see how much influence Michael has in the car and what it can do. As for Hulk Sutil and DiResta, I hope Sutil keeps his drive, if not it's a shame.

Di Resta is a rookie.

[Mr V]

Mac, i didn't imply that Mark hasn't done his bit this season, that's your take on it. I was merely suggesting that for whatever reason (yes i've used it again), not to disassociate myself from anything, more of a, i don't know the reason, other than tyres maybe, or maybe he's just not fast enough anymore.

Saturday was a prime example, Lewis was in the pound seat all weekend, until Seb managed to pip him in qualifying. Seb manages to dig deeper (and we can't blame tyres here because they were both on fresh softs) than Mark. That's not a slur on Mark, just fact.

[Born Racer]

Originally Posted by ptclaus98

Di Resta is a rookie.

True. I'm guessing his reference was to Di Resta doing a lot of Friday sessions last year.

[Marbot]

And these days rookies really are rookies. None of that pounding around various race tracks pre-season like some lucky buggers got to do.

[herowassenna]

Originally Posted by Marbot

And these days rookies really are rookies. None of that pounding around various race tracks pre-season like some lucky buggers got to do.

They might not be on a track, but just how good are these simulators. I remember Paffett having to spend a few days in there testing parts for Mclaren.
Surely if they were that good, then rookies would be in there all winter