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Old 26 Jan 2017, 13:12 (Ref:3705231)   #241
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Thinking further about GP2 and 3, do we feel that having those races on the F1 bill adds anything to the gate at these meetings?

I suspect not and so as Liberty now own the rights to those events they could separate them from the package and ask for bids from circuit owners to run those events. I would go to Donnington or Brands to see GP2 and I suspect many circuits in Europe would be interested in such a deal. More income for both Liberty and the circuits.

Pie in the sky again I suppose

But this is precisely what we are saying. Get these off the bill, give them their own series. Then permit the circuit owners to put what they like on the balance of the GP bill.
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Old 26 Jan 2017, 13:25 (Ref:3705237)   #242
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@ The Fat Clerk. Not the racing then?
Well Lewis winning and making Tosberg look sick did help
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Old 26 Jan 2017, 16:51 (Ref:3705283)   #243
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Is this the sort of support race you had in mind? It did include F1 drivers too


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Old 26 Jan 2017, 17:30 (Ref:3705290)   #244
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Local series should support the events. BTCC supporting the 1996 British GP was a great addition.
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Old 27 Jan 2017, 08:44 (Ref:3705504)   #245
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But BTCC is itself a "circus" type series that has found a very successful formula whereas in the days when it was part of the GP meeting it was single or double headed races per round. For it join in now it would have to be a sort of "super round" and I am not sure how that would work.

Of course if, as we are discussing, the GP2 and 3 races are taken out of the GP meeting to go elsewhere there is a big hole to fill. Could it be that the multi race format of a round of the BTCC is the way to do that?

All this pre-supposes that Liberty see their position as the problem and are willing to change their thinking.
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Old 27 Jan 2017, 08:54 (Ref:3705505)   #246
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But BTCC is itself a "circus" type series that has found a very successful formula whereas in the days when it was part of the GP meeting it was single or double headed races per round. For it join in now it would have to be a sort of "super round" and I am not sure how that would work.
I agree the "circus" format has been used to success with the BTCC but it does have much more diversity of grids, wtih GTs, Single Seaters and Tin Tops.

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Of course if, as we are discussing, the GP2 and 3 races are taken out of the GP meeting to go elsewhere there is a big hole to fill. Could it be that the multi race format of a round of the BTCC is the way to do that?
I think the BTCC, if given good billing, would still attend the GP with one race. Also we could expect to see Formula 4 and perhaps a sprint race for British GTs. The GP could go back to what it was intended to do and that is to provide a showcase for the local lesser formulae. Apart from Porches, the current format is entirely single seaters and frankly watching a bunch of slipstreaming bolides all day can get tedious. Diversity is what is needed.

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All this pre-supposes that Liberty see their position as the problem and are willing to change their thinking.
Yes, instead of "how can we improve F1" they need to think of how to improve the event.
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But this is precisely what we are saying. Get these off the bill, give them their own series. Then permit the circuit owners to put what they like on the balance of the GP bill.
but they're owned by fom and created for the specific task of filling the support bill at grands prix. being realistic for just a split second, it's not going to happen for that specific reason. besides, dealing with the support series when you don't own them is very troublesome. they all have their own interests to protect and nobody wants to have to go back to their drivers and say "well we can race on the british gp support package but it's going to double your entry fee for the entire season".
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but they're owned by fom and created for the specific task of filling the support bill at grands prix.
Agreed and that is the problem.


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being realistic for just a split second, it's not going to happen for that specific reason. besides, dealing with the support series when you don't own them is very troublesome. they all have their own interests to protect and nobody wants to have to go back to their drivers and say "well we can race on the british gp support package but it's going to double your entry fee for the entire season".
If we continue to toe that particular line, none of these series will be around much longer. Which is the problem. The circuits can't sustain the rising costs against a background of limited income. Putting prices up to pay for a "show" that has such limited appeal is a sure fire way of going bankrupt.

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The BTCC tried to have a non championship support race in 2004, but the teams annoyingly vetoed it
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The BTCC tried to have a non championship support race in 2004, but the teams annoyingly vetoed it
I think you will find the teams declined due to the restrictions put upon them re sponsorship liveries, truck liveries, flags and other nit **** - why wouldn't they want to be there?
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