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Old 6 May 2008, 19:18 (Ref:2195428)   #26
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I think the Swedish commentators summed it up pretty well on live TV. If Thed could have held the line and managed the pass without pushing Dahlgren off track, they he did nothing wrong in the attempt. If he would have pushed Dahlgren off he would have deserved and got a punishment.

Problem is, we will never know which it was because Dahlgren slammed the door shut when Thed was already deeply committed and had nowhere to go except into the side of the Volvo.

Dahlgrens defence about "you can't look in the mirrors all the time" feels a little lame for me as well. Sure, you can't just look in the mirrors, but is the guy behind only allowed to try pass when you DO look in the mirror?!? Feels to me like it's the guy in front that needs to worry about looking in the mirror at the right time, while the guy in the back deliberately should try to catch the one in front of guard and try to make the pass when he isn't. That is what racing is about, isn't it?!?

So for me it feels like Thed tried to do a gutsy move in a part of the track where he already noticed he was clearly faster, caught Dahlgreen with his pants at the ankles to the point that D didnt even know he was turning right into Thed.
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Old 8 May 2008, 16:43 (Ref:2197013)   #27
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Old 10 May 2008, 21:22 (Ref:2198468)   #28
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I think the Swedish commentators summed it up pretty well on live TV. If Thed could have held the line and managed the pass without pushing Dahlgren off track, they he did nothing wrong in the attempt. If he would have pushed Dahlgren off he would have deserved and got a punishment.

Problem is, we will never know which it was because Dahlgren slammed the door shut when Thed was already deeply committed and had nowhere to go except into the side of the Volvo.

Dahlgrens defence about "you can't look in the mirrors all the time" feels a little lame for me as well. Sure, you can't just look in the mirrors, but is the guy behind only allowed to try pass when you DO look in the mirror?!? Feels to me like it's the guy in front that needs to worry about looking in the mirror at the right time, while the guy in the back deliberately should try to catch the one in front of guard and try to make the pass when he isn't. That is what racing is about, isn't it?!?

So for me it feels like Thed tried to do a gutsy move in a part of the track where he already noticed he was clearly faster, caught Dahlgreen with his pants at the ankles to the point that D didnt even know he was turning right into Thed.
Krokström thought Björk was out of order, but was afraid to say so, while Budda was as clueless as usual. He is a useless commentator.

And dude, come on. Björk didn't make the corner even when he had Dahlgren's car to slow him down. He went straight ahead and had to stand on the breaks to avoid joining Dahlgren in the gravel trap, and in the process Ekblom and Andersson slipped past.

Correct, the driver in front should look in the mirrors at the right time. You know when that time is? AT POSSIBLE PASSING AREAS! Crossbow isn't a passing area! Not that any place on Sturup is though...

Take a look at this picture. It's an onboard from Ekblom looking at the incident. Björk making the corner? Yes, of course...


The STCC stewards were idiots for not penalising Björk. Not that that's their first blatantly incorrect decision...

Must say I'm surprised to see you defending Björk to that degree, considering how you cried foul on Turk's manouver on Mat Jackson in the BTCC Brands Hatch thread....
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Old 10 May 2008, 23:29 (Ref:2198529)   #29
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And dude, come on. Björk didn't make the corner even when he had Dahlgren's car to slow him down. He went straight ahead and had to stand on the breaks to avoid joining Dahlgren in the gravel trap
Umm... there is no ABS on STCs... of course you go straight ahead if you lock your front tires trying to not crash into someone...
You can try that with your own car if you want. Disable ABS, panic break at high speed in a corner, and off the road you go.

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It sais absolutely nothing. Could you perhaps dig up the video instead?

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Must say I'm surprised to see you defending Björk to that degree, considering how you cried foul on Turk's manouver on Mat Jackson in the BTCC Brands Hatch thread....
I'm actually surprised you are surprised. That means you didnt even understand the difference between the two situations.

IF Björk would not have been able to hold the inside of the corner, and would have pushed Dalhgren off the track, he would be penalized for sure (in STCC, but not in BTCC). But that never happened. Here Dahlgren turned into Björk leaving Björk nowhere to go except right into Dahlgren. It's a huge difference.
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IF Björk would not have been able to hold the inside of the corner, and would have pushed Dalhgren off the track, he would be penalized for sure (in STCC, but not in BTCC). But that never happened. Here Dahlgren turned into Björk leaving Björk nowhere to go except right into Dahlgren. It's a huge difference.
He couldn't have! You can't run two cars side by side in that corner! And secondly, you can only give room if the car is already there - you can't make provisions for the possibility of people making late lunges! Then you might as well move out of the way!
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He couldn't have! You can't run two cars side by side in that corner!
Physically you can fit 3 cars in that corner. But the racing line is only 1 car wide, so if you are the slower car in front trying hold a much quicker car behind you, it makes sence to cover the inside of the corner, no?

Did Dahlgren do this? No. He left the door wide open, only to cut across at the very last possible moment not even bothering to check if there actually was a car next to him or not.

If you are clearly the slower car, the answer is to take a defensive line, not put your head in the sand by leaving the door open AND refusing to check your mirrors and then claim it's the other guys fault that YOU didnt check the mirrors.

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Did Dahlgren do this? No. He left the door wide open, only to cut across at the very last possible moment not even bothering to check if there actually was a car next to him or not.
Anyone remember Mantorp 3-4 years ago, with Dahlgren vs Göransson? Dahlgren saw too late that Göransson was going for the inside, he slammed the door on Göransson when he was inside going into turn 2, they hit side by side. Same situation, same driver, same ruling - no violation.
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