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27 Mar 2008, 11:28 (Ref:2162907) | #1 | ||
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Pole Position has no meaning and value now
I think over the last few years pole position in f1 has no value or meaning other than being able to start the race at the front. Often driver from the top 2 or 3 teams who have the lightest car can get pole. Its not like in the days where the fastest driver was rewarded with pole, like in the days of Senna when he would drive and push the car 110% to get pole.
Now its all fake, last season we saw Lewis get pole on many occasions by having a lighter car. Silverstone was one such example! |
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27 Mar 2008, 11:29 (Ref:2162909) | #2 | ||
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Er...starting the race at the front is quite valuable!
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27 Mar 2008, 11:30 (Ref:2162910) | #3 | |
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27 Mar 2008, 11:40 (Ref:2162924) | #6 | ||
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Yes, it was more meaningful when they used qualifying cars, qualifying tyres, qualifying fuels etc...
See how silly your argument looks now! Did you ever watch F1 in those days? Having said that, meaningful or meaningless, watching F1 cars in proper qualifying, no compromise, light fuelled trim pushing at 110% is FAR more exciting than watching even great laps with fuel loads and race tyres... Hamilton's lap was special at Silverstone, but wouldn't it have been even better viewing in 'proper' qualifying trim |
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27 Mar 2008, 12:13 (Ref:2162954) | #7 | ||
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He's right in that qualifying is just a pre-lude to the race these days, not an event in its own right....
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You could say Mansells 1992 pole lap was special, some 2 seconds faster than Patrese! |
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27 Mar 2008, 12:27 (Ref:2162967) | #9 | ||
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Has Lewis ran light in qualifying more often than anyone else in the top teams?
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27 Mar 2008, 12:35 (Ref:2162977) | #11 | ||
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From a race weekend point of view, qualifying still has "value" for a driver as it allows them to start ahead, on the clean side. And not too bad a bragging right.
From a record books point of view and observer point of view, the value of qualifying has dropped since race-fuel loads are used in Q3. A lighter car will naturally have an advantage, and this is probably so if 2 teammates on different strategy. So in that sense, it's just one more factor to put into consideration when evaluating how good a driver's pole lap is. It'd be very valuable though if you carry 10 laps more fuel than your competitor and still get pole.... |
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Well, i don't remember Hamilton's lap at Silverstone, but i'm surprised though that Ferrari is "quicker" in qualifying. Last year was a year where Ferrari generally struggled to get heat/grip in one lap qualifiers, didn't quite remember it being different at Silverstone. I'd need to rewatch the disc if i'm free.
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Yes it is, but if the driver is some 6 or 7 laps lighter on fuel he scores an own goal when the rest of the drivers pit later!
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28 Mar 2008, 00:20 (Ref:2163489) | #18 | ||
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Like Patrick Head said - Reverse Grids are the way to go.
As long as the best cars are always at the front, they will just **** off and there will be limited overtaking. THE ONLY ANSWER. Last edited by Ralf's Girl; 28 Mar 2008 at 09:52. Reason: Autocensor dodge |
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Now that might keep me awake for an entire GP...... It'd be like my BRISCA days all over again.......
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Laugh able.... Get rid of more wing and get the braking distances longer. More speed on the straight and less efficient brakes to wash off that higher speed. Next to no margin to pass if guy in front is driving well and not making any mistakes. Aus was not bad, but Malaysia back to the usual yawn fest. At least MotoGP is on this weekend. |
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28 Mar 2008, 10:08 (Ref:2163717) | #23 | ||
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I remember those epic battles between Hakkkinen and Schumi for pole positions with no fuel-load involved, they were just driving the wheels off their cars to see who can do THE fastest lap... those were the REAL pole positions ... 12 laps (well 3-4 flyers) and show us the maximum you can get out the car.
If we ever wanted to see a real pole position again, Q3 should not involve this fuel-non-sense at all. Q1 and Q2 is good as it is, then Q3 should be a flat-out honest session with no "he got beaten but might have more fuel" thing involved |
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28 Mar 2008, 11:44 (Ref:2163769) | #24 | ||
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al sami welcome to the forum firstly
secondly in F1 these days, its usually one of the drives finishing top 3 end up winning the race if its not raining so I cant see why it has no value |
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