Rules Future Rule Changes - Page 8

Mr Pink · 24 Jan 2014, 09:11 (Ref:3357856)

Quote:

Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

But no one could have predicted this.

Well, not this exactly, but I think most people been pretty convinced for a while that they would keep adding gimmicks rather than removing them? Slippery slope and all that..

321Go · 24 Jan 2014, 09:16 (Ref:3357857)

Changes have been proposed to some the 2014 regulations after the F1 Strategy Group meeting. The following look tweaks look like they could be approved before the first GP in Melbourne.

A five second time penalty introduced, which can be taken before work is carried out on the car during a pit stop.
Team personnel must now wear helmets during qualifying as well (was only for race in 2013).
Drivers cannot stop on the track during the slow down lap to save fuel.
The weight limit will be increased by 1kg to 691kg, because the heavier 2014 Pirelli tyres.

TheNo1F1Fan · 24 Jan 2014, 11:15 (Ref:3357909)

Quote:

Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

I hope the WDC is decided before Abu Dhabi.

And the WCC?

Pingguest · 24 Jan 2014, 13:12 (Ref:3357996)

It is interesting to see that Formula 1 pursues a green image on one hand and continues to increase the minimum weight on the other hand. I think these two are incompatible.

**bella** · 24 Jan 2014, 13:20 (Ref:3358003)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pingguest

It is interesting to see that Formula 1 pursues a green image on one hand and continues to increase the minimum weight on the other hand. I think these two are incompatible.

i don't. do you know how many natural resorces it takes to produce lightweight metals and materials? actually to be fair it's probably the same as the heavyweight ones, but the processes before the car hits the circuit are just as important for a "green image".

Pingguest · 24 Jan 2014, 13:33 (Ref:3358011)

Quote:

Originally Posted by bella

i don't. do you know how many natural resorces it takes to produce lightweight metals and materials? actually to be fair it's probably the same as the heavyweight ones, but the processes before the car hits the circuit are just as important for a "green image".

The minimum weight does not stop teams using lightweight metals. In case the car is underweight, teams will use ballast to make it both legal and handle better. The lighter the car the more teams can play with ballast for set-up purposes.

**bella** · 24 Jan 2014, 13:38 (Ref:3358014)

so what does it have to do with promoting a "green" image? that's what i don't understand.

by decreasing the weight limit it *forces* them to seek further ways to lighten the car. seeking to reduce the weight in any other circumstances is optional.

Pingguest · 24 Jan 2014, 14:01 (Ref:3358027)

Quote:

Originally Posted by bella

so what does it have to do with promoting a "green" image? that's what i don't understand.

by decreasing the weight limit it *forces* them to seek further ways to lighten the car. seeking to reduce the weight in any other circumstances is optional.

Weight is not the only parameter. Even without regulations dictating a minimum weight a weight reduction does not come without a price and thereby remains a strategic choice.

**bjohnsonsmith** · 24 Jan 2014, 15:44 (Ref:3358078)

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheNo1F1Fan

And the WCC?

That too but the WDC has much more kudos.

ApexClips · 24 Jan 2014, 16:41 (Ref:3358112)

Quote:

Originally Posted by bella

so what does it have to do with promoting a "green" image? that's what i don't understand.

by decreasing the weight limit it *forces* them to seek further ways to lighten the car. seeking to reduce the weight in any other circumstances is optional.

Simple: Light weight materials are more efficient, and are usually useful for far more than just racing to the checker. Lighter machines are "greener" machines.

While it is true that many exotic materials are constructed using methods that are possibly excessive or wasteful, it is usually the case that as more of a given material is produced, the production of that material becomes more efficient and less wasteful.

TheNo1F1Fan · 24 Jan 2014, 16:42 (Ref:3358113)

Quote:

Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

That too but the WDC has much more kudos.

Really?

**bjohnsonsmith** · 24 Jan 2014, 16:48 (Ref:3358118)

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheNo1F1Fan

Really?

Yes.

TheNo1F1Fan · 24 Jan 2014, 16:48 (Ref:3358122)

Quote:

Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

Yes.

chillibowl · 24 Jan 2014, 16:51 (Ref:3358125)

does anyone else think its wrong that these teams had to design the layouts of their car/weight distribution without know what the weight of the tire was going be?

TheNo1F1Fan · 24 Jan 2014, 16:53 (Ref:3358126)

Quote:

Originally Posted by chillibowl

does anyone else think its wrong that these teams had to design the layouts of their car/weight distribution without know what the weight of the tire was going be?

In my opinion, the cars should look like the 2005/2006 ones. No offense to anybody.

Richard C · 24 Jan 2014, 17:27 (Ref:3358139)

Quote:

Originally Posted by chillibowl

does anyone else think its wrong that these teams had to design the layouts of their car/weight distribution without know what the weight of the tire was going be?

Maybe a huge oversight? That everyone assumed the weight would be the same hence the last minute adjustment upwards of the minimum weight?

Richard

wolfhound · 24 Jan 2014, 20:44 (Ref:3358228)

Its interesting that the minimum of an F1 car is now almost 200kg heavier than in 1987.
2014 weight limit 691kg 1987 weight limit 500kg.
Although that weight excluded the driver so one could allow about 80kg for them bringing it up to 580kg. I cannot remember what the actual allowance for a driver when the change came in. If I remember correctly there were cars that were lighter than 500kg and had to be ballasted up to weight.

321Go · 24 Jan 2014, 23:42 (Ref:3358284)

The minimum weight will be raised to 701 kg in 2015.

Tucky · 25 Jan 2014, 00:15 (Ref:3358290)

No ones posted this yet so for anyone who's missed this on the F1 website: http://www.formula1.com/news/features/2014/1/15408.html

One thing I honestly didn't think they'd go through with is having to pick the gear ratios before the first race and then using the same one for every single race. How on earth can you use the same gear ratios for Monaco and then for Monza???

**ScotsBrutesFan** · 25 Jan 2014, 00:37 (Ref:3358294)

Most circuits I'll be run 3rd-8th other than the start, the exception is Monaco where they'll probably run 1-6.

The teams have a joker this season in which they can make a single change of as many ratios as they like. (Obvious point would be after Monaco)
2015 season where it really is 8 ratios for the season will be more interesting.

Actually re-reading that link, the wording has changed to how I remembered it, stating that the teams can make a change only if they have it massively wrong.

Pingguest · 25 Jan 2014, 13:45 (Ref:3358432)

The gear ratios will indeed be homologated during the season. I believe this is a slippery slope, as gear ratios are generally considered as a part of the set-up instead of the car design. Homologating gear ratios makes as little sense as homologating the front and rear wing configurations.

JeremySmith · 26 Jan 2014, 19:59 (Ref:3360162)

Could someone explain why they are going to use "brake by wire" in 2014..

wolfhound · 26 Jan 2014, 20:22 (Ref:3360178)

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeremySmith

Could someone explain why they are going to use "brake by wire" in 2014..

I think it is to do with having to change the brake balance depending on whether the KERS is harvesting or not. The idea came about because of the greater capacity of 2014 KERS and the need for very large changes in brake balance when harvesting or not harvesting energy.

JeremySmith · 26 Jan 2014, 21:05 (Ref:3360193)

Thank you for explaining that...

wolfhound · 29 Jan 2014, 10:11 (Ref:3361524)

Toto Wolff has now come out against the double points madness at the last race. He said F1 needs to listen to the fans.
I suspect this rule could get forgotten with the new noses.

Similar Threads
Thread	Thread Starter	Forum	Replies	Last Post
[Rules] Are more rule changes necessary ?	Marbot	Formula One	51	27 Sep 2009 17:19
F1 future rule changes	TheNewBob	Formula One	57	20 Dec 2006 09:19
Sensible ideas for future technical regs anyone?/Rule changes - more to come [merged]	AMT	Formula One	74	12 Nov 2002 16:09
Future Tourer Future	Crash Test	Australasian Touring Cars.	13	17 Jul 2002 23:01