[Rules] Future Rule Changes

[wnut]

Originally Posted by wolfhound

I think it is to do with having to change the brake balance depending on whether the KERS is harvesting or not. The idea came about because of the greater capacity of 2014 KERS and the need for very large changes in brake balance when harvesting or not harvesting energy.

Sounds like ABS to me!

[wnut]

Originally Posted by wolfhound

Toto Wolff has now come out against the double points madness at the last race. He said F1 needs to listen to the fans.


I suspect this rule could get forgotten with the new noses.

I doubt it, some things are infinitely uglier than a piece of malformed bodywork, and this stupid double points rule is one of them!

[Marbot]

Originally Posted by Pingguest

The gear ratios will indeed be homologated during the season. I believe this is a slippery slope, as gear ratios are generally considered as a part of the set-up instead of the car design. Homologating gear ratios makes as little sense as homologating the front and rear wing configurations.

Except that this season they have 8 ratios instead of 7 ratios, and the large increase in torque through more of the rev range, means that they don't need to be spaced out quite so precisely as they would have been with the much peakier V8 engines. It may even be the case that many of the teams keep that extra 8th cog for use only when the DRS is used. I would.

[Pingguest]

Originally Posted by Marbot

Except that this season they have 8 ratios instead of 7 ratios, and the large increase in torque through more of the rev range, means that they don't need to be spaced out quite so precisely as they would have been with the much peakier V8 engines. It may even be the case that many of the teams keep that extra 8th cog for use only when the DRS is used. I would.

Facts do not result in norms. The possibility of one configuration suiting all tracks does not justify this sort homologation or 'gear ratio freeze'.

[321Go]

Bernie still wants double points for last three races. He wants USA and Brazil included. Story HERE.

[chillibowl]

a reversal of my early stance on this, but if its going to happen then i think its better that it happens for the last three races as it sort of turns the last block of fly away races into a playoff type thing.

dont get me wrong double points are still stupid but if its about compromise then this would actually work for me.

[Adam43]

Originally Posted by wnut

Sounds like ABS to me!

Will it detect wheel lock and change the braking? I don't think there will be a sensor to allow that and that isn't the point.
It's comparable to the 4cylinder cut of the Renault engine in the Red Bull being called traction control.

[Adam43]

Originally Posted by 321Go

Bernie still wants double points for last three races. He wants USA and Brazil included. Story HERE.

Has he said it again or is that just the same story from a few weeks back?

[wolfhound]

Just figured out why Bernie wants double points for this year.

The F1 season is going nicely with a 3 way battle for the championship between Mercedes, McLaren and Ferrari. The current champions are down mid table with a fast car that is always breaking down. Around the August break they start to get their reliability sorted but it looks to late but start to score more often. At the last race they are 45 points behind with a car that is now fast and reliable.......

Who is Bernie best mate among the team principles?

[Richard C]

Originally Posted by wolfhound

Just figured out why Bernie wants double points for this year.

The F1 season is going nicely with a 3 way battle for the championship between Mercedes, McLaren and Ferrari. The current champions are down mid table with a fast car that is always breaking down. Around the August break they start to get their reliability sorted but it looks to late but start to score more often. At the last race they are 45 points behind with a car that is now fast and reliable.......

Who is Bernie best mate among the team principles?

I don't believe in the double points ideas, but why not also reward those who actually have their act together at the start of the year. Double points for the first two races!

Richard

[wolfhound]

Originally Posted by Richard Casto

I don't believe in the double points ideas, but why not also reward those who actually have their act together at the start of the year. Double points for the first two races!

Richard

Bernie would not like some body building a 100 point lead in the first 2 races would he?

[wolfhound]

Looks like Nascar is taking a leaf out of Bernie's book or is it the other way round?

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/112366

[Tucky]

Is there a shortage of brain cells in motorsports right now?

[wolfhound]

Bernie is now blaming Ferrari for his double points rule, cannot understand why Ferrari would want double point for Abu Dhabi considering Alonso performance there a few years ago.
Its more like a Bernie remark to divert attention from elsewhere so that he smells of roses!!!
http://www.pitpass.com/50873/Ecclest...-double-points

[wolfhound]

The Mercedes powered teams are all set to block any attempt by Bernie to make it double points for the last 3 races.

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2014/0...l-three-races/

Can somebody please get rid of this absurd double points rule and fast?

[JeremySmith]

Originally Posted by wolfhound

The Mercedes powered teams are all set to block any attempt by Bernie to make it double points for the last 3 races.

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2014/0...l-three-races/

Can somebody please get rid of this absurd double points rule and fast?

Good!!! The whole dbl points thing is totally stupid and very contrived ..

[Richard C]

Originally Posted by Richard Casto

I don't believe in the double points ideas, but why not also reward those who actually have their act together at the start of the year. Double points for the first two races!

Richard

Originally Posted by wolfhound

The Mercedes powered teams are all set to block any attempt by Bernie to make it double points for the last 3 races.

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2014/0...l-three-races/

Can somebody please get rid of this absurd double points rule and fast?

So Mercedes powered teams clearly understand how this works. Extra points at the end of the season devalues the early points from those teams (i.e. "them") that might actually have their act together at the start of the season!

Richard

[S griffin]

Apparently Bernie put in double points to increase viewing figures, but with 90% of fans against it, the opposite is more likely! And the head-in-the-sands team bosses say it's not going to change. For goodness sake, change it before it makes a mockery of a sport not after. At least though the Benz teams are voting against there being more against the short wally in the power. And if Bernie is pushing for more double points races, who is he kidding by shifting the blame to Ferrari.

Come in Bernie, your time is up!

[wnut]

Originally Posted by JeremySmith

Good!!! The whole dbl points thing is totally stupid and very contrived ..

Deliberately alienating everyone, and turning the sport into a bad joke, just plain unbelievable!

[JeremySmith]

And here we go again folks !

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/112434

[Knowlesy]

Seems sound. Qualifying does need a bit of a tweak.

Paying hundreds of pounds to sit and watch drivers waiting in the pits.

[Pingguest]

I still hope to see the return of the sixty-minutes qualifying sessions without the post-qualifying parc fermé, but I guess the real qualifying laps will never return.

[ScotsBrutesFan]

Originally Posted by Pingguest

I still hope to see the return of the sixty-minutes qualifying sessions without the post-qualifying parc fermé, but I guess the real qualifying laps will never return.

What and have cars sitting in the garages for 45 of the 60 minutes before they all come out and trip over one another, with claim and counter claim of being baulked.
If your going to tweek qually, lets see a superpole style shootout for the top 10, only each car gets a 4 lap run ... the teams can choose out 2 flying laps and in or out second warm up lap flying lap then in. The in lap must be within a specific time so that when the next car is released the recovering car will be in the final 3rd of the lap.
If they want this on a fresh set of tyres that are only used for this then so be it.

Qually = low fuel + new tyres + empty track

[wolfhound]

Originally Posted by ScotsBrutesFan

What and have cars sitting in the garages for 45 of the 60 minutes before they all come out and trip over one another, with claim and counter claim of being baulked.
If your going to tweek qually, lets see a superpole style shootout for the top 10, only each car gets a 4 lap run ... the teams can choose out 2 flying laps and in or out second warm up lap flying lap then in. The in lap must be within a specific time so that when the next car is released the recovering car will be in the final 3rd of the lap.
If they want this on a fresh set of tyres that are only used for this then so be it.

Qually = low fuel + new tyres + empty track

I thought we had that in the early naughties?

[Jordan 199]

Yeah that sounds like a spruced up one lap qualifying, which wasn't very exciting. It did mix the grid up when someone had a bad lap or broke down though.

I would say give all the teams special qualifying tyres for Q3. Make it a level playing field for everyone, rather than have cars tiptoe around because they need to preserve their super sensitive tyres for the race. And then that way, they can still keep the shootout.