Home  
Site Partners: Veloce Books OldRacingCars.com  

Go Back   TenTenths Motorsport Forum > Historic Racing & Motorsport History > The Chassis History Archive

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 6 Jul 2004, 18:05 (Ref:1558139)   #1
FA-reject
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Ralt RT 4

On the mention of RT4's. Any info on chassis #185. I was told it was one of the first imported to the U.S. but can't find an early history.
 
Quote
Old 7 Jul 2004, 11:24 (Ref:1558140)   #2
Chris Townsend
Veteran
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
United Kingdom
London
Posts: 2,176
Chris Townsend should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
RT4-185

This car raced in UK 1980 - 1982.
1980 with David Leslie
1981 to David Duffield
1982 used by Ray Mallock as F2 car
1984 I have still in UK running FL with James Stevenson, which information comes, I think, from Jeremy Jackson
These notes come from period journals so I rather doubt the attribution of it being an early import.
If Adam's Ralt records go on, maybe we should have a separate RT4 thread. We have very good records on RT4s in UK and Australia/NZ so might be able to sort rest out by elimination.

Chris
Chris Townsend is offline  
__________________
'Some days you eat the bear, some days the bear eats you.'
Quote
Old 7 Jul 2004, 12:10 (Ref:1558142)   #3
Dan Rear
Veteran
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location:
West Lancs
Posts: 2,026
Dan Rear should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Chris, agreed on Terry Gray. He seemed very 'fashionable in FF with Van Diemen in 78 and 79, then suddenly disappeared completely. Anyone know why, or was it the usual lack of cash issue ?

On RT4s, are you certain -185 was the Mallock occasional F2 car in 1982. I presumed Duffield used it for his odd F2 races that year, not Ray M. This would make sense as Duffield also used it in FAt over here in 82, along with Alo and Flux also in RT4s. Have we discussed the latter 2 cars here before ?

Was Ray M out in F2 that year, can't recall now, I know he was doing the Nimrod thing that year. If he was, surely it would have been in his 81 FAt RT4, not Duffield's.
Dan Rear is offline  
Quote
Old 7 Jul 2004, 15:15 (Ref:1558143)   #4
FA-reject
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Thanks for the info. on RT4-185. I can trace it to So. Florida in the late 80's, but thats as far back as it goes. Thanks again.
 
Quote
Old 7 Jul 2004, 17:45 (Ref:1558144)   #5
Jeremy Jackson
Veteran
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location:
Coventry, UK
Posts: 652
Jeremy Jackson should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Quote:
Originally posted by Chris Townsend
RT4-185

...

1984 I have still in UK running FL with James Stevenson, which information comes, I think, from Jeremy Jackson
...
Chris
Yep, that was from me. Noted the chassis plate at mallory in July 1984.
Jeremy Jackson is offline  
Quote
Old 18 Feb 2005, 13:31 (Ref:1556760)   #6
Chris Townsend
Veteran
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
United Kingdom
London
Posts: 2,176
Chris Townsend should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
I will get around to the 1980s but I have to say that the predominance of Ralt RT4s does make them rather less interesting, just as ground effects destroyed spectacular racing.

Last edited by John Turner; 24 Mar 2006 at 16:21. Reason: Chassis Archive edit!
Chris Townsend is offline  
__________________
'Some days you eat the bear, some days the bear eats you.'
Quote
Old 18 Feb 2005, 14:00 (Ref:1556761)   #7
Dan Rear
Veteran
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location:
West Lancs
Posts: 2,026
Dan Rear should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Chris, I suspected you may already be on the case !

Couldn't agree more re the RT4s, much as I admire Ron T, his supereffiency with the RT3/4/5/6 series did rather destroy those formulae for a while in the 80s. All part of the increasing "professionalism" I guess.

Last edited by John Turner; 24 Mar 2006 at 16:22. Reason: Chassis Archive edit!
Dan Rear is offline  
Quote
Old 18 Feb 2005, 16:26 (Ref:1558570)   #8
Chris Townsend
Veteran
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
United Kingdom
London
Posts: 2,176
Chris Townsend should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
82 AGP I was able to work out the chassis number of every RT4 there except Miedecke and Creasy [incidentally is this the same guy who raced a BT30 in UK in early 70s?] but could really use Crang's car!

Last edited by John Turner; 24 Mar 2006 at 16:24. Reason: Chassis Archive edit!
Chris Townsend is offline  
__________________
'Some days you eat the bear, some days the bear eats you.'
Quote
Old 18 Feb 2005, 17:36 (Ref:1558571)   #9
David McKinney
Veteran
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location:
London
Posts: 838
David McKinney should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Can't help with your RT4 numbers except to say that Miedecke's 1982 car was the one he had raced in 1981; he had a different one in 1983 and a third in 1984...

Last edited by John Turner; 24 Mar 2006 at 16:25. Reason: Chassis Archive edit!
David McKinney is offline  
Quote
Old 18 Feb 2005, 17:39 (Ref:1556766)   #10
David McKinney
Veteran
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location:
London
Posts: 838
David McKinney should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Oh, and I don't think Australian Bob Creasy was the same person as the UK BT30 driver Bill Creasy
David McKinney is offline  
Quote
Old 18 Feb 2005, 21:56 (Ref:1558573)   #11
Bryan Miller
Veteran
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location:
Kiama , N.S.W. Australia
Posts: 1,379
Bryan Miller should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Creasy's RT4 confirmed at #279.

Last edited by John Turner; 24 Mar 2006 at 16:26. Reason: Chassis Archive edit!
Bryan Miller is offline  
Quote
Old 19 Feb 2005, 10:53 (Ref:1558574)   #12
Chris Townsend
Veteran
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
United Kingdom
London
Posts: 2,176
Chris Townsend should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Regarding RT4s. Many thanks. I have a small problem with Miedecke's cars in 81/82
Ralt sales records show him consigned RT4-256, and this number is confirmed, I think, in Dave McKinney's AGP report for 1981. 1982 we have him in 252 however, a car originally consigned to Steve Shelton in USA. He keeps this car, because David records it as the car Meidecke enters for Danner in NZ in 1983. In 1984, at least some of the time, he runs Watson's RT4-269 [ex Garza and Radisich]. Then he gets RT4-512 in October 84 new from the works.
What happened to 256 at the beginning of 82 that caused him to buy 256?

Last edited by John Turner; 24 Mar 2006 at 16:27. Reason: Chassis Archive edit!
Chris Townsend is offline  
__________________
'Some days you eat the bear, some days the bear eats you.'
Quote
Old 20 Feb 2005, 04:00 (Ref:1558577)   #13
Bryan Miller
Veteran
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location:
Kiama , N.S.W. Australia
Posts: 1,379
Bryan Miller should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Andrew Miedecke , 1981 Ralt RT4-252 ,
-----------------, 1982 Ralt RT4-252,
--------------------, 1983 Ralt RT4-252,
Terry Ryan , 1984 Ralt RT4-252.

Closest to this chassis no. is John Bowe's 1st Lucky Nuts sponsored car 255.

Bryan.

Last edited by John Turner; 24 Mar 2006 at 16:28. Reason: Chassis Archive edit!
Bryan Miller is offline  
Quote
Old 17 Mar 2005, 20:03 (Ref:1558424)   #14
dereklola
Racer
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location:
near Detroit
Posts: 282
dereklola should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Chris

I spoke to Jeremy couple of months ago - his was just a one off drive at the "Runoffs" - then called CSPRRC - on Oct 17, 1982. Before that I understand that the car [RT4-180] was part of Robertson's 'team' - names like Unser Jr and Michael Andretti being mentioned. Charles Warner knows more about this era than I do - I've asked him to join in. Apparently one car was red [mine?] and the other blue.

After that the log book for RT4-180 lists Gary Revesz [glad you knew how to spell his name, his signature is illegible] -
- June Sprints, Elkhart, June 17/18 1983
- Brainerd National, Aug 6/7 1983
- War Games, Indianapolis Raceway Park, Sep 30 1983
- MAR[?] Regional, Aug 25 1984
- Milwaukee Regional/National, Sep 1/2 1984
- REgional, Road America, Sep 22/23 1984
- WOR Regional IRP, Oct 6/7 1984
- then nothing until -
- passed 'Annual tech' St Louis Region, Apr 5 1987 with note 'nice car'
- then driver James H Burt
- Hellett, Apr 10/11 1987
- 'Hutch' [?] National, May 23 1987
- Hallett, June 13/14
- Blackhawke Farms, June 27/28
- Indy Grand Prix, July 18/19 1987 - accident frt susp etc
- updated Annual Tech, repairs completed, nice job, Aug 20 1987

How long do you want me to go on? This could take a long time!

1988 was a Bruce Poehlman
1989/90/91 was a Les Mankofsky
1992 - nothing
August 1993 sold to Charles Warner
January 1999 sold to me.
dereklola is offline  
Quote
Old 17 Mar 2005, 20:13 (Ref:1558425)   #15
dereklola
Racer
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location:
near Detroit
Posts: 282
dereklola should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Charlie's 'ad' for the car, when I bought it is at http://www.race-cars.com/carsold/ral...0/rt4180ss.htm
dereklola is offline  
Quote
Old 6 Nov 2005, 00:26 (Ref:1558174)   #16
flightlessbird
Rookie
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location:
Sydney australia
Posts: 32
flightlessbird should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Rear
Chris, I suspect -155 is the Salazar car. We're still ,unsure, I think, how many other RT3s were made in 79, ISTR one being in Italy, maybe one with Schafer in Germany too. These may have been 160 and 166, as I don't think Wilson got his much before Spring 80, and Stanley slightly after that.

On RT4s, I guess -162 was the first one, that Ray M raced late in 79 at Brands, and won. I wonder whether this is the one you have Sullivan in also late in 79 ? Perhaps Ray shook it down prior to going to the US.
At eastern creek yesterday I saw a RaltRt4 with thr front shocks mountedd diagonally on the front of the tub, has anyone got an explanation
flightlessbird is offline  
Quote
Old 6 Nov 2005, 20:05 (Ref:1543397)   #17
cavvy
Veteran
 
cavvy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location:
Melbourne Victoria
Posts: 3,531
cavvy should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
10 x RT4s at Eastern Creek A1GP

Where did they all come from.

With Messrs Miller & Fellowes to the fore, I look forward to finding out.
cavvy is offline  
__________________
more torque than a climate change conference
Quote
Old 7 Nov 2005, 23:43 (Ref:1543398)   #18
Pete Brennan
Rookie
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 44
Pete Brennan should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Atlantic's at Eastern Creek

There were actually 13 RT4's,a total field of 29 Atlantic/Euro F2.Included were 2 Euro F2 Chevrons.I had the priveledge of being part of this great field in my 88 RT4.What it found astonishing was that the RT4's were only 2.5 secs slower than a current Euro F3 car,400cc smaller and on carburettors and 20 years older.The event overall was good to be part of,we do not get to run at these International meets,and everyone really enjoyed the atmosphere. If i can work out how to post a picture i will do so.
Pete Brennan is offline  
Quote
Old 8 Nov 2005, 21:58 (Ref:1543403)   #19
Andrew Fellowes
Veteran
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Australia
Tamborine Mountain, Qld. Australia
Posts: 1,184
Andrew Fellowes should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
The lower half of the grid!!!

Andrew Fellowes is offline  
Quote
Old 9 Nov 2005, 06:15 (Ref:1543404)   #20
Andrew Fellowes
Veteran
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Australia
Tamborine Mountain, Qld. Australia
Posts: 1,184
Andrew Fellowes should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Photo Credit to John Gale

Andrew Fellowes is offline  
Quote
Old 10 Nov 2005, 01:55 (Ref:1543406)   #21
Andrew Fellowes
Veteran
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Australia
Tamborine Mountain, Qld. Australia
Posts: 1,184
Andrew Fellowes should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
This is the best photo easily by a country mile, Thanks Pete,

(who has aged 5 years in the last 5 minutes, now hates computers and has taken to drink.....?)

Andrew Fellowes is offline  
Quote
Old 10 Nov 2005, 02:16 (Ref:1543408)   #22
Andrew Fellowes
Veteran
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Australia
Tamborine Mountain, Qld. Australia
Posts: 1,184
Andrew Fellowes should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Hi cavvy, dont know much on the RT4's so perhaps Bryan or Pete can help, but there are some great histories to be heard.

Pretty Please?

& Pete, thanks for the great photos, I'll do the other one later, Cheers Andrew
Andrew Fellowes is offline  
Quote
Old 10 Nov 2005, 21:36 (Ref:1543413)   #23
Pete Brennan
Rookie
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 44
Pete Brennan should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
The Ralt RT4's at the A1 GP

Ian Ross 1981 Nelson Piquet 81 AGP Calder
Geoff Calvert 1981 Jacques Laffite AGP Calder
Ray Hanger 1981
Vince Holland 1982 Graham Lawrence NZ
Peter Addison/Michael Henderson 1982 ex USA
Chris Farrell 1982 ex USA
Richard Carter 1983/86 ex USA
Vivian King 1986 Ted Prappas Atlantic Championship(west coast)
Les Wright 1986 Scott Goodyear Atlantic Championship(east coast)
Tim Davies 1986(did not start)
Ty Hanger 1986 ex USA
Rob Poynton 1986 ex USA
Sean Whelan 1987
Stephen Borness 1987 Jon Beekhius USA
Me 1987/88 Scott Harrington ex USA

We also have another 25 RT4's here with good histories that were not at the A1

Pete
Pete Brennan is offline  
Quote
Old 11 Nov 2005, 10:35 (Ref:1543414)   #24
cavvy
Veteran
 
cavvy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location:
Melbourne Victoria
Posts: 3,531
cavvy should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid

Thanks Pete,
25 x RT4s in garages ?

Lets hope you guys (& Bryan, Andrew et al) see the light of day down here in Vic soon.
cavvy is offline  
__________________
more torque than a climate change conference
Quote
Old 11 Nov 2005, 16:40 (Ref:1543415)   #25
Chris Townsend
Veteran
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
United Kingdom
London
Posts: 2,176
Chris Townsend should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Pete

Do you have chass nos for the two 1982 ex USA cars?

That makes 38 RT4s in Australia. You could run qualifying heats!

Chris
Chris Townsend is offline  
__________________
'Some days you eat the bear, some days the bear eats you.'
Quote
Reply
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Ralt RT 2 Dan Rear The Chassis History Archive 130 12 Feb 2018 15:36
Ralt RT21 ken herd The Chassis History Archive 26 29 May 2013 05:11
Ralt RT 30 research jason arnold Motorsport History 14 22 Aug 2007 03:18
Ralt RT 30 research jason arnold Club Level Single Seaters 5 14 Jul 2007 12:47


All times are GMT. The time now is 18:13.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Original Website Copyright © 1998-2003 Craig Antil. All Rights Reserved.
Ten-Tenths Motorsport Forums Copyright © 2004-2021 Royalridge Computing. All Rights Reserved.
Ten-Tenths Motorsport Forums Copyright © 2021-2022 Grant MacDonald. All Rights Reserved.