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Old 25 May 2010, 19:01 (Ref:2698113)   #1
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US Grand Prix- Austin (USA)

A deal has been announced.

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Old 25 May 2010, 19:03 (Ref:2698115)   #2
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Old 25 May 2010, 19:06 (Ref:2698117)   #3
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Why spend all that money building a new circuit when there are many fine us tracks? I know they would need changes to run off areas etc but surely that is cheaper than building an entirely new circuit. Hopefully this new track will be used by Wtcc, World GT1, Alms etc.
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Old 25 May 2010, 19:20 (Ref:2698124)   #4
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Why spend all that money building a new circuit when there are many fine us tracks?
Because it's always about more than the track these days as to where a race is held. It's about, to quote the article, things like
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that rare combination of ideal geographic location and beauty. Its fine dining, world-renowned hospitality and excellent transportation infrastructure make Austin ideally suited to host and manage an event of this magnitude. Few cities if any in America could rival the connectivity of all the key elements needed for hosting a Formula 1 event as well as Austin. Now, many people around the world will have the opportunity to experience a world-class event, facility and city.”
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Not ideal from a pure racing perspective, but let's hope it will be a quality track.
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Old 25 May 2010, 19:25 (Ref:2698129)   #5
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Autosport has it now.

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I would love this of course, and so would another 200,000 people...
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Old 25 May 2010, 19:23 (Ref:2698126)   #7
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I reckon it may have something to do with the strong German connection to Texas.
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Cheaper to who? Name the track, and then tell me where the money comes for the changes required, and the sanction fee. I don't believe there is an existing track (permanent road circuit) in the US that could afford such a venture.
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Old 25 May 2010, 19:35 (Ref:2698140)   #9
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Cheaper to who? Name the track, and then tell me where the money comes for the changes required, and the sanction fee. I don't believe there is an existing track (permanent road circuit) in the US that could afford such a venture.
Ok sorry mouth shut, infact i delete my account, everytime i post on here someone shoots me down, makes me out to be an idiot well bye everyone
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Old 25 May 2010, 19:38 (Ref:2698143)   #10
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Stick around, they'll make you a moderator!

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Ok sorry mouth shut, infact i delete my account, everytime i post on here someone shoots me down, makes me out to be an idiot well bye everyone
Happens to all of us mate, just ignore it.
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I think you took that comment too extremely. It's not an argument. I wouldn't leave because of that. The tone gets so easily misconstrued on the internet.
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Sure there are 'tracks' elsewhere. But remember that a 'track' is really just a thin ribbon of tarmac. Hardly the most expensive part of the infrastructure necessary to create a viable GP venue.
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Cheaper to who? Name the track, and then tell me where the money comes for the changes required, and the sanction fee. I don't believe there is an existing track (permanent road circuit) in the US that could afford such a venture.
Surely ISC could get Daytona up to standard? NASCAR ovals are much more crash-worthy than say Monaco with the SAFER barrier and there could be some interesting racing around the tightish infield track (not the 24 hour one because that'd mean > 50% on an oval which is I'm sure not what Bernie would want) and then blasting it through the oval's turns 3 & 4!

Plus being NASCAR's premier track the facilities ain't half bad either...

But this is FOM we're on about so I expect to see another cloned track unless something really special happens. All the Tilke tracks look pretty much the same with Bahrain being the exception (but that's extremely rubbish).
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Maybe they could. But would they be interested in doing it? I doubt it.
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this is exactly what i thought.
if the money was poured into Road America or even Road Atlanta, which is awesome,
or VIR or Monticello any one of these already wickedly cool tracks would grow in awesomeness- this Austin deal is just a head scratcher

but yay for a US GP!
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this is exactly what i thought.
if the money was poured into Road America or even Road Atlanta, which is awesome,
or VIR or Monticello any one of these already wickedly cool tracks would grow in awesomeness- this Austin deal is just a head scratcher

but yay for a US GP!
If the money was poured into them, they would cease to be awesome.
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Have you seen anything I haven't? I've not seen any source indicating that he's designing it.
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To be fair to nobster, it's a natural assumption and i have to admit that it was my first thought too.
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Which was the last non-Tilke track to enter F1?
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Well, something like this was going to happen.

Bernie, as we know, has been pursuing this for ages.

Kind of a random surprise in terms of location, but I'm not surprised that they're gonna build a brand new circuit.
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I think it had to do more with who could come up with the money than anything and my gut tells me that the existing venues, couldn't.

In any case I wish them well and PLEASE don't have the race in the summer. I know all about those other hot races but I don't go to those, I will go to Austin though!
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You can rely on Bernie to get advice from tilke regarding any track, he seems to be the resident 'adviser' to any track design.

The actual tarmac and track foundation is a small part of the overall cost of a track for F1.
Land aquisition, access roads, parking, traffic managment, grandstands (even if they are empty on race day) for the projected crowds of people, pit facilities, control tower and associated bits of technology, the list goes on....and on.
The actual track itself is about 40% of the cost.
Thats why Monticello was never a starter in real terms. It would have cost more to upgrade than they have spent already.

Indianapolis was a budget opportunity because the facilities were largely in place.
Austin is not a big city in American terms, not like Dallas-Fort Worth or Houston so I really can't see where the money is going to come from.
Thats why Watkins Glen, Laguna Seca, Road Atlanta or Road America (Elkhart Lake) never would suffice. No one would take the gamble on cost.

I don't want to disappoint anyone but do I see cloud on the horizon? Is that another Donnington looming up?
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