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Old 8 Jan 2018, 22:52 (Ref:3791456)   #181
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for sure equal treatment in terms of car/parts and for sure that equality extended towards race strategies (until LH became the clear title challenger at least) but the massive difference in wages indicates, imo, a clear distinction in who is their 1 and 2 drivers.

Nico i believe had a clause saying he would make as much as Schumi and i want to say Nico was also pretty close to LH in terms of base retainer so *not much of a salary difference.

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Old 8 Jan 2018, 23:53 (Ref:3791462)   #182
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but the massive difference in wages indicates, imo, a clear distinction in who is their 1 and 2 drivers.
Hamilton arrived at Mercedes as a former world champion and a top ranked driver. As a world champion, of course ones wages are going to be higher. Bottas arrived at Mercedes as podium finisher, with a best of 3rd position. Of course his wages are going to be lower than Hamilton's. Don't see what the salary has to do with signing a contract that states you will be given equal equipment, treatment and opportunity to race your team mate?

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Nico was also pretty close to LH in terms of base retainer so not much of a salary difference.
But there was. Both drivers always had equal status in the team. When Lewis arrived at Mercedes in 2014, Nicoff, sorry Nico.. was the established driver there. Some even said Nico was the number 1 driver and Lewis was number two then. Lewis was on a much higher wage than Nico in 2014, when Nico was the supposedly established number 1. But both had equal status at the team, even though Lewis was on a much higher wage. Wages did not define who was contractually number one (or number two) at Mercedes from 2014 to 2016. It has been said many times that they both had equal status.

As the 2014 season progressed, Hamilton proved to be the better driver. And won the championship that year. And by doing so, rightly deserved a higher wage for 2015. Nico's retainer was also higher for 2015, and higher again for 2016, but still not as near as Lewis' was. But both always had equal status at Mercedes throughout their time together. Then Nico won the championship in 2016. On a lower wage than Lewis. And then decided to Nicoff!
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Old 9 Jan 2018, 14:41 (Ref:3791549)   #183
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Bottas became the natural number 2 as the season went on. He looked not far off in the first half, but sort of lost a bit in the second half. He's needs a consistent season this time from the off
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Old 9 Jan 2018, 16:13 (Ref:3791563)   #184
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Sorry, but what evidence do you have to back that statement?

I don't believe for a second that Bottas was signed on as a number 2 driver. That is a Ferrari trait. Not Mercedes. It was stated by Wolff at the time of signing that Bottas would be equal, and Hamilton demanded his team mate was given equal opportunity at the team.

https://www.thenational.ae/sport/tot...des-gp-1.15677

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/h...ammate-856210/
So you believe everything an F1 team boss says at face value do you?

Wolff has said time and time again how much 'easier' or 'happier' it has been in the team with Lewis and Bottas.

Of course it has, Lewis has had it all to himself for the most part.

I like Bottas, he is definitely a quality driver but he will not get the opportunity to go for a title whilst Lewis is there, whether he is up to it or not.
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Old 9 Jan 2018, 17:20 (Ref:3791580)   #185
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So you believe everything an F1 team boss says at face value do you?

Wolff has said time and time again how much 'easier' or 'happier' it has been in the team with Lewis and Bottas.

Of course it has, Lewis has had it all to himself for the most part.

I like Bottas, he is definitely a quality driver but he will not get the opportunity to go for a title whilst Lewis is there, whether he is up to it or not.
I'd go with Hamilton's own words - Valtteri supports me a lot. It is a completely different level professionally. As a team, we are more united than ever. And when itís the other way around, Iíll help and support him, - which tells me that Bottas operated as the 'supporting' driver, Hamilton the 'supported'.
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The bottom line is that Bottas is a good driver whom very few would begrudge a title if it came his way, but Lewis is one of the greats who might end up at the top of the statistical heap.
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I see Valterri to Hamilton like Patrese to Mansell, good enough to get the better of him on occasion and play a good supporting role, but unlikely to win the title in the same team
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Iwhich tells me that Bottas operated as the 'supporting' driver, Hamilton the 'supported'.
Is that's why the 'supported' driver allowed the 'supporting' driver to finish ahead of him - at a very crucial point in the championship?

And is that why the 'supporting' driver finished AHEAD of the 'supported' driver five times before the Mexican GP, at where the title was finally decided?

Great supporting driver that.
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Is that's why the 'supported' driver allowed the 'supporting' driver to finish ahead of him - at a very crucial point in the championship?

And is that why the 'supporting' driver finished AHEAD of the 'supported' driver five times before the Mexican GP, at where the title was finally decided?

Great supporting driver that.
The supported driver allowed his teammate to finish ahead of him as part of the overall team strategy.

On the occasions where Bottas finished ahead of Hamilton, how many times was he in a position to aid his teammate?

The support Bottas gave was to both Hamilton's WDC and the WCC. They achieved both, so yes - a great supporting role played.
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