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Old 27 Sep 2017, 00:32 (Ref:3770036)   #46
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Yes but under what criteria does the FIA grant the super licence, 2 examples.

Mr "My Daddy is loaded" who is buying his drives in the best teams of that category, but is average at best when the race starts.
A smaller team is interested in Mr "My Daddy is loaded" as selling their 2nd seat would help their budget massively.

Or Mr "Natural Talent" who has worked damn hard finding my own sponsors get this far. He doesn't have a lot of backing, but the bigger teams are interested in seeing if he has what it takes. The chances are however that he may only get a few tests and possibly be farmed out as a third driver as part of an engine deal and get an FP1 or two if he's very lucky.
Damon Hill would not have made F1 under these rules, just did not have the money.


Perhaps if the rules were fairer, and the cars had a better chance of scoring points for money, then driver talent would become more important in the equation.

Not too many pay riders in MotoGP.
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Old 27 Sep 2017, 00:57 (Ref:3770037)   #47
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My point is that in order to have a simple apply and be told yes or no, there has to be some sort of criteria to judge who get a yes and who gets a no.

With the points system they have tried to introduce a level of competitiveness into the criteria - I'm not sure that it should be the only criteria or that the points awards are correct but at least there is something published.

It's not a brown envelope being handed over in an e-cigaratte vapour filled private club somewhere to assist an FIA delegate with the word yes, when one driver's application is looked at.
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Old 27 Sep 2017, 02:31 (Ref:3770050)   #48
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My point is that in order to have a simple apply and be told yes or no, there has to be some sort of criteria to judge who get a yes and who gets a no.

With the points system they have tried to introduce a level of competitiveness into the criteria - I'm not sure that it should be the only criteria or that the points awards are correct but at least there is something published.

It's not a brown envelope being handed over in an e-cigaratte vapour filled private club somewhere to assist an FIA delegate with the word yes, when one driver's application is looked at.
The problem is the FIA have tried to create a "path" to F1 and all they have actually done is ended up looking small and manipulative.

For instance Jimmy Johnson's NASCARresults over the last 3 years would not have qualified for a super licence at the beginning of this year.

2014 11th
2015 10th
2016 1st

There are 50 chartered (works) drivers in the Nascar series who run about 36 races in a year. To say someone finishing 10th against the talent NASCAR contains is unfit to race in F1 is just a bad joke. To say someone who has participated in 36 NASCAR races is unfit for F1 is a joke.

To exclude Johnson who has participated in 571 races with 83 wins over 17 years and has won 7 titles is not qualified for F1 just shows the points system is utter rubbish!

A simple letter from any of the sanctioning bodies should be more than enough.
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Old 27 Sep 2017, 07:24 (Ref:3770061)   #49
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Having a quick look I think there are some caveats to the rules

Drivers who qualify for a superlicence but are then unable to secure an F1 racing seat get a three-year grace period in which their points are valid.

https://www.formula1.com/en/champion...l_drivers.html

... in exceptional circumstances, those who have not met those criteria but have demonstrated "outstanding ability in single-seater formula cars" and achieved 300 kilometres (190 miles) of running in a Formula One car.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIA_Super_Licence

I tried to find the actual regulation on the FIA website, but couldn't. The sporting regs talk about super licences a lot, but couldn't find the actual application bit. I've now decided to do something else..

If that is he case then it's a bit more along the lines what some were saying.

It's alright though as there is still plenty to moan about
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Old 27 Sep 2017, 12:47 (Ref:3770097)   #50
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I remember Perry McCarthy pointing out the flaws of the superlicence rules at the time in his book. He said Gilles Villeneuve wouldn't have been able to race.
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Old 27 Sep 2017, 12:57 (Ref:3770099)   #51
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The problem is the FIA have tried to create a "path" to F1 and all they have actually done is ended up looking small and manipulative.

For instance Jimmy Johnson's NASCARresults over the last 3 years would not have qualified for a super licence at the beginning of this year.

2014 11th
2015 10th
2016 1st

There are 50 chartered (works) drivers in the Nascar series who run about 36 races in a year. To say someone finishing 10th against the talent NASCAR contains is unfit to race in F1 is just a bad joke. To say someone who has participated in 36 NASCAR races is unfit for F1 is a joke.

To exclude Johnson who has participated in 571 races with 83 wins over 17 years and has won 7 titles is not qualified for F1 just shows the points system is utter rubbish!

A simple letter from any of the sanctioning bodies should be more than enough.
You just hit the nail on the head.
I find the idea very entertaining that a spoilt little boy in an F3 car is twice the driver that a NASCAR Cup Champion is.
I rather imagine that in fact it is the other way around.
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Old 27 Sep 2017, 18:33 (Ref:3770144)   #52
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If Jimmy Johnson wanted to race in F1 and a team wanted him I'm sure this would be easily resolved. Probably with some outrage on the internet, but I suspect it wouldn't be a problem.
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Old 28 Sep 2017, 04:33 (Ref:3770216)   #53
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I just came across this quite interesting article of whether a NASCAR driver could make it to F1, regarding the new license rules.
https://www.frontstretch.com/2017/09...-to-formula-1/
Basically, the same odds as coming across some unicorn droppings.
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Old 28 Sep 2017, 04:38 (Ref:3770217)   #54
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Driving a 200hp car is very different from driving a 700hp car.
No points for the World of Outlaws? Crazy system.
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Old 28 Sep 2017, 13:40 (Ref:3770286)   #55
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I do wish JYS had signed up Jeff Gordon. It could have revolutionised F1 in the States.
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Old 28 Sep 2017, 18:30 (Ref:3770323)   #56
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What about the driver who scrimps and saves but is fast makes it to F2, gets a load of poles and leads half the races but has a car that breaks down a lot leaving him with poor results, and then the money runs out.
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... in exceptional circumstances, those who have not met those criteria but have demonstrated "outstanding ability in single-seater formula cars" and achieved 300 kilometres (190 miles) of running in a Formula One car.[/I]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIA_Super_Licence
I suspect they can get round it.

For good cases I'm for this being used as a guide. However this rules out those less worthy cases. Which is what people were whinging about. And why we now have this rule. People wanted a clear rule and that's what we got.
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In order to qualify for their initial 'FP1 licence', drivers will have had to contest six F2 races or accumulated 25 superlicence points

Drivers reapplying must either have completed a full season in F2 or gained 25 superlicence points
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Old 31 Dec 2017, 11:25 (Ref:3789960)   #59
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I didnít think it was much of a problem to begin with, so hopefully these rules wonít be too much of a problem
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