What A Drive By Fisico!! - Page 2

Inigo Montoya · 7 Apr 2003, 11:51 (Ref:561422)

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Originally posted by av8rirl
I'm delighted for the Jordan team too but you have to say that it was a comedy of errors and mistakes that gave Fisi his final position. How different it may have been if the race had not been stopped? Fisi needed to pit. Kimi surely needed to pit. Jordan would have got 2 or three points and we wouldn't have this thread.

It looks like Fisi was lucky not to be hit by Firman but I think Fisi saw this in his mirror and decided to stay put. He turned in later than normal after Firman went up the inside. He got past Kimi after Kimi made a mistake.

He stayed on the black stuff and got it to the end (or near enough). An over-rated drive but fair play.

Over-rated? Oh my gosh... there are still people doubting his abilities. And the reasoning for coming to this conclusion? A bunch of "what ifs".

Winning a race is all about avoiding having to avoid asking "what if?" at the end of the race.

Armco Bender · 7 Apr 2003, 12:07 (Ref:561462)

O.K then ,lets restart the race,everyone back in thier cars then

ASCII Man · 7 Apr 2003, 12:10 (Ref:561475)

Maybe someone put their wet socks in there to get them dry but forgot about them?

**Aysedasi** · 7 Apr 2003, 12:13 (Ref:561483)

Ah! So he was running the old "wet socks in the engine" trick was he? No wonder he did so well. The FIA will definitely have to put a ban on the use of wet socks for future races.....

Down F0rce · 7 Apr 2003, 12:15 (Ref:561486)

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Originally posted by avsfan733
Kimi hasn't really deserved either of the wins bot hof them have fallen into his lap.

You what???

I'm too speachless to think of a proper reply right now. You sir should watch that race again.

av8rirl · 7 Apr 2003, 12:26 (Ref:561507)

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Originally posted by Inigo Montoya
Winning a race is all about avoiding having to avoid asking "what if?" at the end of the race.

Well IM, he still hasn't won a race!

boyward · 7 Apr 2003, 12:35 (Ref:561516)

Fisico would be faster than Michael in the Ferrari, given enough time to aclimatize.

Inigo Montoya · 7 Apr 2003, 12:43 (Ref:561536)

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Originally posted by av8rirl
Well IM, he still hasn't won a race!

Yes he has.

And lets hear the brilliant reasoning that would have led you to believe that Fisi would have had only a couple of points had the race continued.

Try to do it without saying "what if" or he "would have", because, lets face it, you don't know how much fuel he or anyone else had in their tanks - and he was pulling away at a good clip when the race was stopped.

There's always one, isn;t there.

Dino IV · 7 Apr 2003, 13:08 (Ref:561577)

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Originally posted by enemy-ace
Fisi's a great driver but this wasn't his best drive ever. I still think Spa '01 was his defining moment.

Then you missed half a decade of great Fisi drives!

What's this BS about a lap 53 finish???
Fisi crossed the line for lap 55 when the safety car sign was issued. Almost immediately Alonso had his terrible accident and after that the race was stopped ... with Fisico in lap 55! Minus one according to the rules, is the standings of lap 54, which had Fisico already in the lead! Did I missed something or is a certain someone a victory being denied?

Logrence · 7 Apr 2003, 15:52 (Ref:561759)

Minus 2 according to the rules. Read the other threads. I can't believe Raikkonen's won ONE race and people are already going conspiracy-ape.

Inigo Montoya · 7 Apr 2003, 18:31 (Ref:561937)

Not sure who is going conspiracy ape - and the rule is as you state it. But the fact of the matter remains that it is a STUPID rule, and as I have stated previously - it makes a far worse mochery of F1 than anything that happened at Austria last year.

Nicholas · 7 Apr 2003, 20:37 (Ref:562117)

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Originally posted by Inigo Montoya

Try to do it without saying "what if" or he "would have", because, lets face it, you don't know how much fuel he or anyone else had in their tanks - and he was pulling away at a good clip when the race was stopped.

True, but then you don't stand much chance of winning a GP with 30 or so laps to go with a blown engine

. Fisi has put in the effort and ability to deserve more than a freak win, and I hope he gets into a team where he can get on the podium more often

Snrub · 7 Apr 2003, 21:01 (Ref:562150)

Guess what, F1 engines need big cooling and overheat if the car goes too slow for too long. Hence flambe ala Jordan.

There was no conpiracy, but the rule obviously wasn't designed for this scenerio. Fisi had first place fair and square.

Inigo Montoya · 7 Apr 2003, 21:11 (Ref:562167)

I agree with Snub. Sitting there without getting the required air into the rads is certainly not going to do that Ford any good...

Nicholas · 8 Apr 2003, 13:41 (Ref:562806)

In that case it would have probably died after his next pitstop, or after another safety car outing... there were quite a few laps to go.

av8rirl · 8 Apr 2003, 14:02 (Ref:562821)

Thinking back to Stewart GP, didn't they have engine fires while sitting on the grid? I don't remember any of the others having this much of a problem with overheating. Is it something that Ford do? Too close to the limit?

Glen · 8 Apr 2003, 15:23 (Ref:562881)

Engine cooling is as much to do with chassis design as anything else - Jordan had problems with the Mugen engines before by going too tight on radiator size and aero detail.

Dick Spanner · 9 Apr 2003, 14:52 (Ref:564058)

I think the fire was more to do with the Remnant's of the oil in Fisi's "Dick Darstardly" oil slick layer, overheating. It was just a shame that Webber hit the slick not Kimi.

Blimey, is that the time...

Gt_R · 10 Apr 2003, 04:11 (Ref:564742)

So now...we are predicting that GF doesn't deserve a win because his engine "MAY" explode in the later stages of the race??

av8rirl · 10 Apr 2003, 10:23 (Ref:564913)

Well if it was running at race speed (or near enough), it PROBABLY wouldn't have gone up in flames. But then when he pitted for fuel, he PROBABLY wouldn't have won anyway.

Swings and roundabouts, chicken and egg, etc... All POSSIBLE outcomes. Where are the physicists/mathematicians? They can work it out with chaos theory, probability or some other science. Maybe they could do it for all the races, let the FIA know the winners before the race and save millions of quids!!!

Gt_R · 10 Apr 2003, 13:42 (Ref:565107)

Ha.. how about every race results be based on Bernie's instint or Max's preferences??

nameless · 10 Apr 2003, 20:02 (Ref:565475)

i think fisi should have won as he was leading fair and square when the race was finished, i only hope he hadnt had the chance to win as coming 2nd would have been amazing, but not when he should have been first. still, fisi is too good to be a driver who only won a race because of rain and because it was stopped. one day .................

MichaelH · 10 Apr 2003, 20:04 (Ref:565476)

wait till tomorrow nameless one. He will be given the win in a Paris courtroom tomorrow morning.

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