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Old 18 Apr 2017, 22:54 (Ref:3727645)   #106
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As an alternative to Safety Cars, for the Silverstone 24hrs we used the Dutch Code 60 system which is extremely effective, and for WEC we had FCY which is effectively code 80 (80kph). In fact when they upgraded the FCY to SC it was arguably less safe as everyone speeded up to try to catch the SC.

As I say, both systems work remarkably well and help the teams clear up more quickly and effectively.
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Old 18 Apr 2017, 23:08 (Ref:3727646)   #107
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The modifications allowed are still very minimal:

Toyota 86 Series cars however would NOT be eligible as those cars run an aftermarket header.
Agree with that, either run as built or let all cars run free exhaust.
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Old 18 Apr 2017, 23:21 (Ref:3727648)   #108
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86 series runs a larger brake package, too.

Headers are no big deal on the 86. 10min job to swap them back.
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Old 18 Apr 2017, 23:24 (Ref:3727649)   #109
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As an alternative to Safety Cars, for the Silverstone 24hrs we used the Dutch Code 60 system which is extremely effective, and for WEC we had FCY which is effectively code 80 (80kph). In fact when they upgraded the FCY to SC it was arguably less safe as everyone speeded up to try to catch the SC.

As I say, both systems work remarkably well and help the teams clear up more quickly and effectively.
Appreciate the input Wooley.
I wonder if the code systems suit Bathurst which has many blind sectors, tight distances between fences, and of course major changes in elevation.
With that in mind does your experience indicate a preference for a constant flow of slower cars or a couple of bunched up groups while cleaning up or loading cars?
Also what do you think of the Bathurst preference for returning wrecks to the pits on a flat top?
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Old 18 Apr 2017, 23:32 (Ref:3727651)   #110
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I have to say I was sceptical of the Code 60 before I saw it in action, but I'm converted. Everyone moving at a constant slow speed is much easier to deal with. They're slowed within a few seconds meaning you can get on with it quicker and there's no problem with cars pitting and trying to catch up suddenly arriving at race pace.

No reason why it wouldn't work at Bathurst just the same. You can put a marshal on point duty ahead of the clear up to direct the cars to the side as required. 60kph is basically road speed so no different from doing the same as normal road traffic.

Returning on a flat top is fine. I don't know Bathurst (yet!) but I suspect there are no internal roads so not much alternative.
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Old 19 Apr 2017, 00:27 (Ref:3727666)   #111
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They attempted to trial a speed limter for safety car situations in Supercars a couple of years ago, but I believe there may have been some technical issues with it, and how it impacted the engine itself due to the mapping required in the ECU.

CAMS should at least trial it here, and go from there.
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Old 19 Apr 2017, 09:49 (Ref:3727702)   #112
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I wouldn't think a Code 60 would work across the top of the mountain for a crash where a truck is required to drag a car up as it would block most of the track and they usually wait for the gap in the train to do it.

For cars bogged in the sand at the Chase or Murrays or Hell, or a car in the sand at McPhillamy, or a broken down car that has pulled off line but still in a dangerous place, Code 60 type Virtual Safety Cars will be perfect.

Only problem with the system is that it doesn't artificially close 2nd place back up to the race leader. How will the fans cope with that?
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Old 19 Apr 2017, 10:00 (Ref:3727705)   #113
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How will the commentators cope?
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Old 19 Apr 2017, 10:28 (Ref:3727709)   #114
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Just a quick summation of the event from a support category competitor's point of view. I loved it, it was well run, ran on time, the organisers/marshalls and paddock staff were great, no little Hitlers there. The crowd on the Friday and Saturday was bigger than I'd expected for such a young event. I'd love to do it again.
Well done to the Dude and Luke Searle on their win.
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I have to say I was sceptical of the Code 60 before I saw it in action, but I'm converted. Everyone moving at a constant slow speed is much easier to deal with. They're slowed within a few seconds meaning you can get on with it quicker and there's no problem with cars pitting and trying to catch up suddenly arriving at race pace.

No reason why it wouldn't work at Bathurst just the same. You can put a marshal on point duty ahead of the clear up to direct the cars to the side as required. 60kph is basically road speed so no different from doing the same as normal road traffic.

Returning on a flat top is fine. I don't know Bathurst (yet!) but I suspect there are no internal roads so not much alternative.
A majority of the recoveries that were flat tows (all the wheels on the ground) were unhooked at Skyline and let to roll down the hill towards pit lane. The lift tows could either park at Vista (Drivers left at about turn 9) until that park was full and emptied at the next SC, or had to return to pit lane. Absolutely no parking spots that would save any time from Vista to the bottom.

Code 60 wouldn't have helped with the oil cleanup after the Excel went pop. Workers were all over the track trying to clean, so the bunching of the field under SC was vital.

I was at Skyline on the Sunday, and the speed that many of the cars were carrying under SC conditions was verging (and in some cases dancing right over) the ridiculous. When you have a driver locking both fronts because they have approached a DWY sector that happens to be blind, waaaaaay too fast, you need to look at the penalties that are available and think about enforcing them.

Also, as a (now) Bathurst regular, that was a cool race. The 86's were very, very quick through the Esses, one was even hounding Mostert's Focus down the hill at one point. I'll definitely be back.
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Code 60 wouldn't have helped with the oil cleanup after the Excel went pop. Workers were all over the track trying to clean, so the bunching of the field under SC was vital.
The odd discovery at the WEC was that it was less safe under SC than FCY, due to cars running at pace trying to catch the pack. With all cars running at road speed, it's easy to control where they go, leaving the track workers to do their jobs safely. And that's coming from someone who was extremely sceptical of it before I saw it in use.
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The odd discovery at the WEC was that it was less safe under SC than FCY, due to cars running at pace trying to catch the pack. With all cars running at road speed, it's easy to control where they go, leaving the track workers to do their jobs safely. And that's coming from someone who was extremely sceptical of it before I saw it in use.
I was at the 6 hour at Bathurst and during every SC period there were cars running at race pace for the entire safety car period trying to catch the safety car train.
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