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Old 18 Apr 2017, 15:07 (Ref:3727577)   #181
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i am assuming these are not Carey's comments in full but he is making an interesting point.

http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns36240.html

to me it sounds like Carey isnt so much concerned about the high price but whether or not F1/BE ever really delivered value/provided proper support to those who were paying for the race.

but then again i am conflicted...many of the new races and the ones who pay the higher sanctioning fees did so for the glory of their governments/regimes/personal egos so in that they got exactly what they paid for.

and imo, with Carey negotiating to put a race back in Turkey im not inclined to believe that he is doing much different to what BE has done.
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Old 18 Apr 2017, 15:09 (Ref:3727578)   #182
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unfortunately the FT website now operates behind a paywall, so I can't read that. Hopefully his comments will also be published elsewhere wher I can read them.
I think JA commented on what was said in the FT and includes some quotes from Carey...

https://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2017/...-f1-promoters/

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They weren't chatting about anything F1 related. I heard them discussing... dinner, I think. Something about a spit roast later that evening(??). Think I heard Horner volunteer to bring the roast, or was it.. be the roast(??). Not sure.

Anyways, this photo was taken later that evening, just before the three of them disappeared for a few hours. Horner barely had any clothing on in this photo. Very strange man.


Later on, Horner was spotted with a slight limp, and looked much paler in complexion. Was visibly shaken and spooked by something. Not quite sure what had happened to him.




Oh dear!
Methinks all 3 of them need to be wary of the company they keep!!
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Later on, Horner was spotted with a slight limp, and looked much paler in complexion. Was visibly shaken and spooked by something. Not quite sure what had happened to him.

Cheers F1Guy...!! I have my own thoughts!!
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Old 4 May 2017, 13:28 (Ref:3730996)   #185
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Chase Carey has said that Bernie was holding back F1 with his short term focus and saying no to a lot of ideas. Whereas Liberty wants to build long term value by looking to where they want to be in 3 to 5 years time.

http://classic.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/129314

I have notice there has been less comment from journalists about F1's problems in recent times I wonder is that part of the changhes that are happening.
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Chase Carey has said that Bernie was holding back F1 with his short term focus and saying no to a lot of ideas. Whereas Liberty wants to build long term value by looking to where they want to be in 3 to 5 years time.

http://classic.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/129314

I have notice there has been less comment from journalists about F1's problems in recent times I wonder is that part of the changhes that are happening.
Doesn't liberty now own many of the journos? Like Autosport, motorsport.com...

And I don't know if 3 to 5 years really that much different from Bernie's approach.
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Doesn't liberty now own many of the journos? Like Autosport, motorsport.com...

And I don't know if 3 to 5 years really that much different from Bernie's approach.
Motorsport Network is separate from Liberty. They are both investors in Formula E for example, so they move in similar circles so to speak but Liberty doesn't own them. Zak Brown was heavily involved in MN though.

Chase Carey is correct of course. Eccelstone was a short term, play-it-by ear kinda guy and we'll see Liberty apply a more traditional big business model.
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Doesn't liberty now own many of the journos? Like Autosport, motorsport.com...

And I don't know if 3 to 5 years really that much different from Bernie's approach.
Motorsport.com is owned by Motorsport Network LLC, an automotive digital media and technology company, who last October acquired Autosport and other motorsports publications, including F1 Racing from Haymarket Media Group. In April this year they bought Sutton Images Ltd. They are not listed as a subsidiary of Liberty.
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Old 4 May 2017, 18:20 (Ref:3731052)   #189
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Chase Carey has said that Bernie was holding back F1 with his short term focus and saying no to a lot of ideas. Whereas Liberty wants to build long term value by looking to where they want to be in 3 to 5 years time.

http://classic.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/129314

I have notice there has been less comment from journalists about F1's problems in recent times I wonder is that part of the changhes that are happening.
Carey makes a lot of sense, when he says: "But in today's world you need to market a sport. We were not marketing the sport." Bernie's reluctance to use social media, was a good example of that. IndyCar's streaming of Alonso's test at IMS just shows how powerful a marketing tool social media is, with 2 million watching.
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Carey makes a lot of sense, when he says: "But in today's world you need to market a sport. We were not marketing the sport." Bernie's reluctance to use social media, was a good example of that. IndyCar's streaming of Alonso's test at IMS just shows how powerful a marketing tool social media is, with 2 million watching.


Yes Bernie never got with the times, to him everyone else had it wrong. And he never kept with the world economic climate with his prices either
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Yes Bernie never got with the times, to him everyone else had it wrong. And he never kept with the world economic climate with his prices either
I thought Bernie's reluctance to use social media, came partly from his fear of losing control and ultimately revenue and also from not understanding social media. Anything that went up on YouTube got taken down almost immediately, now F1 have a YouTube channel showing highlights and other content.
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I thought Bernie's reluctance to use social media, came partly from his fear of losing control and ultimately revenue and also from not understanding social media. Anything that went up on YouTube got taken down almost immediately, now F1 have a YouTube channel showing highlights and other content.


Yes, I think that YouTube channel start last season and certainly you can catch plenty of highlights, insight, behind the scenes and a bit of archive material
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Bernie's approach suited the old owners short term aims, not unsurprisingly. Now that is changed, time for someone other than Bernie.
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What is happening to Mr Tilke and Tilke dome inc. now that Liberty has control of F1?

Have we finally got rid of him?
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What is happening to Mr Tilke and Tilke dome inc. now that Liberty has control of F1?

Have we finally got rid of him?
I don't know but I have not herd of any new fanciful GP tracks since they arrived.
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