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Old 1 Sep 2008, 13:33 (Ref:2279388)   #16
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I don't know to much about those very norhhern-held championships, since my knowledge of their languages is zero. But at the ETCC were quite a few Russians, so that championship must be reasonable.

Ideed next year there will be a Dutch GT-4 championship. I'm sure they have thought it trough, but I would have preferred an S2000-championship, and go to Belgium's (GT3) Belcar to see GT's.
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Old 1 Sep 2008, 13:43 (Ref:2279396)   #17
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FYI: Just looked up the Russian TTC and they look indeed quite repectable. Here are the results of their last race.
http://www.motorsport.ru/rus/results...1600/1/result/
There's an (incomplete) English version of their site, but it helps you to figure out what is what in the Russian version.

IIRC the Focuses (Foci?!?) are the former-WTCC-cars and the Audi A4 might be from STCC. I wonder where the Civics are from. Did Team Halfords sell their cars last year?
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Old 1 Sep 2008, 16:42 (Ref:2279513)   #18
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Also didn't the Netherlands opt for FIA-GT4 instead of Super2000 recently?
They did opt for the GT4 concept, but it wasn't instead of S2000. S2000 was never seriously discussed here as far as I know.
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One thing that can be said this may well be suicide
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They did opt for the GT4 concept, but it wasn't instead of S2000. S2000 was never seriously discussed here as far as I know.
From the "Benelux-Touringcar-Championship"-Thread:
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I read an interview with the competition manager of Zandvoort. In 2009 they want to start a new premier racing series. At the moment they focus on two options:
a) S2000 (and group N like JTCC?). Disadvantage is high costs
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b) GT4

For both options they want involvement from importers and dealers.
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IIRC the Focuses (Foci?!?) are the former-WTCC-cars and the Audi A4 might be from STCC. I wonder where the Civics are from. Did Team Halfords sell their cars last year?
Don't think so - however in the early days of WTCC there were some Civic (not current shape of course).
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Old 1 Sep 2008, 17:32 (Ref:2279560)   #22
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From Flash Nielsen's column on touring car times:

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Rumor is that they will change the rules for 2009 and that we will see a complete silhouette car with common parts except for the engine that already has good regulations. If this is true, the DTM will take off and knock away the platform for WTCC immediately. I keep my fingers crossed, this could be the save for touring car racing in europe.
Wonder what he has to say about the Danish proposal.

Also, do we know, if the DTC-organizers plan a common (presumably GM-) engine for all cars, or if the engine will be manufacturer specific?
At the moment P&M are - afaik - an exclusive contractor of GM, it would be somewhat strange to see them built cars that promote other manufacturers either way, with ot without GM-engine.
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I am told, that the cars will be technically generic, with common driveetrain and engine, buildt by P+M.

So the only parts relating to the marque, will be the bodyshell and other parts. Which might be the only way to go, as several of the manufacturers does not produce a V8. But I dont know for sure..

The Danish regulation is S2000, with national adjustments.

Interesting news from Janne Flash, it seems that the Nordic organizers has held more than one meeting. However, one thing Janne forgets is the fact, that if the cars should be buildt as a DTM car, the cost would be extreme?
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Interesting news from Janne Flash, it seems that the Nordic organizers has held more than one meeting. However, one thing Janne forgets is the fact, that if the cars should be buildt as a DTM car, the cost would be extreme?
Not exactly "news". The column was from early in the year I think.
You can read the full column here: http://touringcartimes.com/columns.php?id=2

Generic drive-train is bad news, however.
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Not exactly "news". The column was from early in the year I think.
You can read the full column here: http://touringcartimes.com/columns.php?id=2

Generic drive-train is bad news, however.
News for me anyway

About the generic drivetrain, I am honestly only assuming.
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Don't think so - however in the early days of WTCC there were some Civic (not current shape of course).
There were a couple (I'm not shure about the amount) in STCC as well, before Engström switched to the Accord.
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There were a couple (I'm not shure about the amount) in STCC as well, before Engström switched to the Accord.
Tom Kristensen put in 2003 - 2004 two JAS Honda Civic Type-R racers in DTC acouple of years ago, under the K-Motorsport banner. one of them is racing in SSC now.

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Jens Edman has been a guestdriver in the Swedish Camaro Cup series this weekend. Apart from having fun back home, I dont think it is a coincident
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Well its no seacret Edman wants to return to STCC, he was looking for a drive this year but didnt get a good enough offer, amongst others he talked to Opel Team Sweden, a shame that fell through, hope Opel will be back next season tho.
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If they're planning that they are utterly stupid and they are murdering the sport. Touringcar racing is all about cars based on streetcars, not tubeframed V8's. Also the choice for V8's is a weird and dumb one: in a time where everybody is talking about the environment it would be much wiser to use a V6, throw in some ethanol and present it as a green concept to attract more sponsors and media attention.
So far I have yet to hear one fan busting loose to get to the race track because the race cars are running ethanol or diesel. Ultimately I believe people go to be entertained, not to save the environment. Nor do I think commercial sponsors really care much if a alternative fuel is used. If it's a big deal you can always run V8's on E85.

S2000 is okay, but I think everyone is getting bored with it. Plus it's not a big draw for crowds and manufacturers have been lukewarm about it. I've heard BMW may pull out of the WTCC and Alfa is already long gone.
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