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Old 9 Dec 2013, 22:56 (Ref:3342164)   #31
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It's just another gimmick in an attempt to *spice* up the show..

Budget cap now please... How much more spice does anyone need!
Well budget caps will save F1 if implemented cleverly! The only way before CVC finds itself with 3 teams entered in the world championship!
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Old 9 Dec 2013, 23:21 (Ref:3342170)   #32
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Formula One is reacting exactly the same way NASCAR reacted. 2013 was a snoozer because of Vettel`s dominance...but it doesn't mean F1 should add a gimmick like this. Are people in F1 forgetting how close the 2012, 2010, 2008, 2007, etc championships were? 2011 and 2013 were exceptions to the rule.

Oh, and the idea that teams will continue to develop their cars because of this double round...I highly doubt it. Who cares if a team finishes 3rd or 4th in the championship. Once a team believes it does not have a realistic chance, it will shift focus to the following year regardless of the final race.

One more reason to change the TV channel.
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Old 9 Dec 2013, 23:26 (Ref:3342172)   #33
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Imagine if you lead all season, then your engine blows in Abu Dhabi and someone sails past you in the standings because of the double points.
Well, it is after all a team sport.

It's not like engine blow ups haven't decided F1 championships before. Build a better engine!
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Old 9 Dec 2013, 23:37 (Ref:3342180)   #34
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Hopefully the other circuits will kick up a stink.

Personally I think each race should be a defacto major whilst the championship is overemphasised, so the double points, whilst irkesome, is something I can take on the chin - with a grumble.

Red line issues for me are reverse grids, success ballast and reality TV guff that FE seems to be mucking with. They cross those lines - I'm out.
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Old 9 Dec 2013, 23:56 (Ref:3342187)   #35
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Came to the forum to read your opinions as soon as I learned about these new rules.
I'm a bit shocked by the double points finale, it will make it too random in my opinion. But it fits the current path F1 has chosen of "more drama, less racing" with DRS and all.

- Double points finale. Must say I agree with most about this, don't like it at all....
- Cost cap is needed.
- Permanent numbers are a good idea, the thing is numbers are too small on current liveries, it's not like MotoGP where you can see a #46 from a mile.
- Two pit stops, I'm not sure about this, but it may work.
- Tyre tests, it's ok.
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Old 10 Dec 2013, 00:11 (Ref:3342188)   #36
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Gary Watkins posted on twitter that in the WEC, Le Mans is a double-point scoring round in a series in which the standard race is 6 hours long. The Abu Dhabi would have to be 750 miles long to match the same proportionate points increase!

That puts it into perspective for me. Why? Why is winning the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix worth twice as much as any other? The points system is meant to reward positions equally over the course of the season.

I'm not sure quite what the World Championship proves anymore.

I tell you what's most annoying. The fact I hate these changes, and I'll moan until the cows come home - but I'll still watch every bleeding, miserable race next season.
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Old 10 Dec 2013, 01:03 (Ref:3342204)   #37
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Double points for last race!

Says it all really, just devalues everything, circus indeed!
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Old 10 Dec 2013, 01:28 (Ref:3342207)   #38
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It's not really the first time that there would be a peculiar points system. We once had a driver who had the most points, not winning a WDC. I hope we never go back to that 'points system' !
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Old 10 Dec 2013, 01:29 (Ref:3342208)   #39
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Gary Watkins posted on twitter that in the WEC, Le Mans is a double-point scoring round in a series in which the standard race is 6 hours long. The Abu Dhabi would have to be 750 miles long to match the same proportionate points increase!

That puts it into perspective for me. Why? Why is winning the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix worth twice as much as any other? The points system is meant to reward positions equally over the course of the season.

I'm not sure quite what the World Championship proves anymore.

I tell you what's most annoying. The fact I hate these changes, and I'll moan until the cows come home - but I'll still watch every bleeding, miserable race next season.
I was thinking about the Le Mans double points too. A race that is 4 times as long as the others and is the clear centerpiece of the entire championship should have double points. Or triple.
Abu Dhabi should not have double points just because it's the last race.

And like you I will continue to watch. It's a circus and has been for a long time. DRS, KERS boost buttons, requirements to run multiple tire compounds in one race. But it's F1. If they pay 1000 points for the last race or do away with points altogether and award gourmet desserts instead I will still watch because it's F1.
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Old 10 Dec 2013, 02:02 (Ref:3342219)   #40
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Just call it,"The Chase".
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Old 10 Dec 2013, 02:48 (Ref:3342229)   #41
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Old 10 Dec 2013, 03:22 (Ref:3342242)   #42
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Well, I can just imagine a non-contender winning the double points and the championship because of a Grosjean like start wiping out the front row and more. That would be a watered down champion. Very bizarre...
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Old 10 Dec 2013, 03:39 (Ref:3342244)   #43
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Double points for the last round is utterly bizarre and to me feels like someone who doesn't get it has come up with the idea.

The media will so often talk about driver X losing the WDC at the last race but that's bullsh - if they lost, it was because of a lack of points across the season and the last race is a small part of that - the big points losses might have occurred in races 3, 4 and 5 of the year for example.

I reckon it'll be hard to explain to the casual punter too - along with the 2 compulsory stops. These type of things suit touring cars and the like that ARE largely focussed on entertainment but it just doesn't feel right for F1.

Like others, I'll still be watching no doubt but I wish they'd stop mucking around at the edges and get on with addressing core issues instead!
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Old 10 Dec 2013, 04:58 (Ref:3342256)   #44
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I'm really hoping they put the double points for last race rule in there so the team's get angry about that and fight the budget cap less, because otherwise it seems ridiculous
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Well, it is after all a team sport.

It's not like engine blow ups haven't decided F1 championships before. Build a better engine!
You are going to have to try harder here.

Can you tell me why an engine blowup on one day should be potentially more damaging (twice so) than an engine failure a week or two earlier. Especially at the end of the season when equipment is a bit more scarce.

Can you tell me why the last race in particular is double points? Why not the first? Hey, it'd make no difference right? Oh sorry, all the thick people would switch off because the winner would have a massive points advantage after one race.

Can you tell me why a race witnessed by a trackside audience of dozens should award double over a packed Silverstone or Monza?

And this doesn't just effect the boys and girls at the top either.
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