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Old 6 Mar 2016, 09:07 (Ref:3620505)   #16
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Correct peckstar.

There should be NO rule for litres of fuel required. If Nissa...sorry some teams aren't as efficient as others too bad.
why? how does that create parity? this is a parity series? other methods were tried, this one works the best, taken 4 years to have a small issue and even then its a non issue becuse it wasnt changed, just the typical v8 baggers having a go
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Old 6 Mar 2016, 09:12 (Ref:3620506)   #17
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Judging by Peckstar's strident defence of all things V8 Supercar, one would assume that he is James Warburton!!! Is it you, James?
sure is.

but seriusly because i want the rules applied consistantly and understand why we have the rules does not make me James Warburton, just makes me informed and not prrepared to buckle to the heard mentality

maybe im happy that the team that runs on the smell of an oily rag stuck one up the multi million dollar triple 8 today and others here are not happy
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Old 6 Mar 2016, 09:22 (Ref:3620508)   #18
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I think what the teams complaining at the start of the race were arguing about was the poorly written rules:
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9.4.6 The SC will withdraw in the prescribed manner when directed by the RD.
9.4.7 The race will be considered started when the leading Car crosses the Control Line at the end of that lap.
9.4.7.1 Cars starting from Pit Lane exit will be considered to have come under starter’s orders if they are at or approaching pit exit when the lead Car crosses
the Control Line to start the race.
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Old 6 Mar 2016, 09:24 (Ref:3620510)   #19
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maybe im happy that the team that runs on the smell of an oily rag stuck one up the multi million dollar triple 8 today and others here are not happy


Mate, the guys at the back usually fuel up early. The big boys up front aren't going to sacrifice track position for fuel but if you're percat plodding around god knows where you try a different strategy. It wasn't exactly some masterstroke of Brad Jonesesque strategy genius.
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Old 6 Mar 2016, 09:27 (Ref:3620512)   #20
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Mate, the guys at the back usually fuel up early. The big boys up front aren't going to sacrifice track position for fuel but if you're percat plodding around god knows where you try a different strategy. It wasn't exactly some masterstroke of Brad Jonesesque strategy genius.
you mean hrt and pra who finished 3rd and 4th.

no i think you are forgiving triple 8 stuff up too easily or making excuses for it

and your right wasnt a masterstroke, just a normal strategy to fill up at the right time under a safety car at the right moment. standard procedure, so why didnt triple 8 do it?
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Old 6 Mar 2016, 09:29 (Ref:3620513)   #21
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All I can say is why was the race not suspended sooner, was a no brainer.
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Old 6 Mar 2016, 09:38 (Ref:3620514)   #22
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I think what the teams complaining at the start of the race were arguing about was the poorly written rules:
9.4.7.1 was the one that dutto was referring too, it was nothing to do with the start of the race it was to do with the release of the cars in the pits, as has mentioned they were released a lap too early on warm up lap instead of after the race start, a stuff up, possibly by race control, maybe by an official in pit lane.

unfortunately skaife wasnt working that out very well, should have shut up.

Didnt really affect the race as the would still have joined under safety car in this case and caught up, but might be a problem next time, it will happen
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Old 6 Mar 2016, 10:02 (Ref:3620520)   #23
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The RD has the spectacle for the fans at heart. The fans don't want cars spread out all over the place, so he's looking for any opportunity to re-bunch the field if the race needs spicing up. (Which in the past it has.)
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Old 6 Mar 2016, 10:05 (Ref:3620521)   #24
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Heres something a bit dodgy, penalty is now 60 seconds not 30 seconds for fabian and pye. put them back 2 further spots, still thats really bad
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Old 6 Mar 2016, 10:16 (Ref:3620530)   #25
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I think what the teams complaining at the start of the race were arguing about was the poorly written rules:
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9.4.6 The SC will withdraw in the prescribed manner when directed by the RD.
9.4.7 The race will be considered started when the leading Car crosses the Control Line at the end of that lap.
9.4.7.1 Cars starting from Pit Lane exit will be considered to have come under starter’s orders if they are at or approaching pit exit when the lead Car crosses
the Control Line to start the race
reading rule 9.4.6 and 9.4.7 together,
does it state that the race starts at the end of the lap after the safety car pulls in? being THAT lap
As that would have been quite a few laps into the race in that case?
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Old 6 Mar 2016, 10:43 (Ref:3620534)   #26
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reading rule 9.4.6 and 9.4.7 together,
does it state that the race starts at the end of the lap after the safety car pulls in? being THAT lap
As that would have been quite a few laps into the race in that case?
The SC rules also state that all laps led by the SC will be counted as race laps. Does seem to me that 9.4.7 could confuse someone who only ready that rule in isolation.
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Old 6 Mar 2016, 12:46 (Ref:3620551)   #27
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reading rule 9.4.6 and 9.4.7 together,
does it state that the race starts at the end of the lap after the safety car pulls in? being THAT lap
As that would have been quite a few laps into the race in that case?
Relevant rules section: Click me

I think the problem goes back to rules that are poorly written allowing different interpretations. After reading the rules for both normal and safety car starts, I think one issue is that the race was originally intended to start under normal conditions, and was switched to a safety car start after the completion of the formation lap. I can't see that situation covered by the rules ... and I could be wrong.

Firstly, under 9.1.10 or 9.2.9 (normal start), 25 out of 26 cars were correctly positioned to be considered under starter's orders - 21 on the grid and 4 at pit exit. This is 3-5 seconds before the actual race start.

Under normal conditions, the race is considered started when the red lights go out (9.1.11 or 9.2.10).

Cars starting at pit exit may start the race only on the direction of an Official, and after the rest of the field has passed the Pit Lane exit (9.1.14 or 9.2.13)

Surely this is what happened today, except under a safety car start.

However, under a safety car start, when said red lights go out, the cars are said to be under starters orders (9.4.3), so there is the start of the muddle.

As stated above, we then have the 9.4.7 and 9.4.7.1 rules. One literal interpretation of those 2 rules is that the 4 cars at pit exit prior to the safety car leaving on lap 1 is that those 4 cars should not have been under starter's orders until lap 6 ... ridiculous! And also not in keeping with the general intent of the starting from pit exit rules above.

Some simple rewording and re-positioning of the 9.4 set of rules would resolve it? Possibly along the lines of:

1) Change the wording in 9.4.3 so it says the race is started under full course yellow behind the safety car (instead of under starters orders).
2) Leave 9.4.4, 9.4.5 and 9.4.6 as is.
3) Reword 9.4.7 to say "The race will be move from FCY to green flag condition when the leading Car crosses the Control Line at the end of that lap."
4) Move and reword 9.4.7.1 to become 9.4.3.1 Cars starting from Pit Lane exit may enter the circuit only on the direction of an Official, and after the rest of the field has passed the Pit Lane exit.
And if required, add an extra timing point before 9.4.3 to differentiate cars coming under starter's orders, and the race starting under FCY.

Just my opinions, I'm not a lawyer nor an expert interpreter of legalese.

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Old 6 Mar 2016, 18:42 (Ref:3620603)   #28
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Heres something a bit dodgy, penalty is now 60 seconds not 30 seconds for fabian and pye. put them back 2 further spots, still thats really bad
Why was it 30, now 60? Does anyone know the rules? Shambles
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Old 6 Mar 2016, 20:08 (Ref:3620663)   #29
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Word is tomorrow it will be a 1 minute 20 penalty.

What a mess.
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Old 6 Mar 2016, 20:57 (Ref:3620681)   #30
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PLEASE HELP!!!! Where does one find the V8 Supercars rules and regulations on the web?

I seem to have looked everywhere?
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