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Old 22 Oct 2016, 08:06 (Ref:3681866)   #1
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A TCR series for Australia?

http://www.touringcartimes.com/2016/...going-forward/

Any chance of this being a success?

Also, which of the TCR-cars are actually available in Australia as road cars?

Audis A3 and VW Golf for sure, and it looks like the Astra will make a comeback as well, but do you also get Seats and the Euro Honda Civic?
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Old 22 Oct 2016, 10:16 (Ref:3681883)   #2
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I'd love to see it, but I'm not convinced there will be room for it.
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Old 23 Oct 2016, 00:22 (Ref:3682020)   #3
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To run a series you would have to tie it in with Supercars and their package

Otherwise there will be a Supercars smear campaign against it, ala Super Touring and PROCAR (especially as Supercars will want the manufacturer interest for their own Gen2 rules)
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To run a series you would have to tie it in with Supercars and their package

Otherwise there will be a Supercars smear campaign against it, ala Super Touring and PROCAR (especially as Supercars will want the manufacturer interest for their own Gen2 rules)
come on dude, yuor quoting 20 years (a two way thing) and 15 years ago.

If what you are saying is true you should be able to quote something more recent
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come on dude, yuor quoting 20 years (a two way thing) and 15 years ago.

If what you are saying is true you should be able to quote something more recent
2015 Bathurst 12hr?

Other than that others learnt the lesson after what TOCA Australia and PROCAR copped

The Super Touring debate was certainly not a two-way thing (In terms of TOCA Australia's involvement anyway, as an aside from Ch7, ARDC etc..)
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2015 Bathurst 12hr?

Other than that others learnt the lesson after what TOCA Australia and PROCAR copped

The Super Touring debate was certainly not a two-way thing (In terms of TOCA Australia's involvement anyway, as an aside from Ch7, ARDC etc..)
On that basis, the 12 hour wasnt a v8 things then , as an aside from Foxtel, Ch7 (pesky Ch7 again common link)

Anyway off topic.

This series will need to be part of something and there isnt many choices

I really dont see it offering something for Australia, there are already heaps of options
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Soon we wont have too many options to buy road cars that are rear wheel drive... they seem to be dinosaurs...
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Soon we wont have too many options to buy road cars that are rear wheel drive... they seem to be dinosaurs...
It will be like Europe, premium vehicles will be the only option for a powerful rear-drive car.
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The Bathurst 6 hour would be the likely entry point for TCR type car.
http://bathurst6hour.com.au/

A whole new world of used JDM imports is likely to open up for Australian car buyers, in terms of rear wheel cars that may be have not seen on Australian roads before. Just a few of the Asian rear drive cars in production that will probably be still produced after the Holden, Toyota factory closures.
Nissan 370Z
Nissan Fuga (v6 slap on some turbos like were stuck on Commodores to turn them into tyre slayers)
Hyundai Genesis
Lexus LS460
Toyota Mark X (budget rear wheel drive)
Toyota Crown
Mazda MX5
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Yet if one enjoys their touring car racing with a bit of oversteer front wheel drive appears a to be the way to go.

Ironic really.
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I wonder if SC have pitched the TCR ruleset, which they apparently bought the rights to in this market, to the manufacturers yet? But in all honesty, if they did ever go down that path, it'll be 5 years too late.
This. In a time when motor racing seems to be struggling in many areas including manufacturer involvement, TCR seems to be sweeping through Europe and Asia with the blessing at least of a variety of manufacturers. Gotta be honest, I'm yet to see a race that has captivated me, but maybe that would change if there were drivers or manufacturers that I cheered for.
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This. In a time when motor racing seems to be struggling in many areas including manufacturer involvement, TCR seems to be sweeping through Europe and Asia with the blessing at least of a variety of manufacturers. Gotta be honest, I'm yet to see a race that has captivated me, but maybe that would change if there were drivers or manufacturers that I cheered for.
I haven't paid too much attention to it, but many of the national series are still in their infancy, which means small-ish grids and questionable talent pool.

Lets say, hypothetically, we dumped the CotF/Gen2 thing, and went to TCR. All of a sudden, you'd open the taps on manufacturers who've walked away, or said no in the past, to want to get involved again. 26 cars straight off the bat, plus our existing driving and engineering talent, the racing would be pretty decent.

Just about every manufacturer with a TCR-homologated car, has had some sort of involvement in motorsport here in Australia at some point in the past. With platform and running gear-sharing that exists these days with PSA, Nissan-Renault, VW/Audi/Skoda etc, you'd broaden the scope for even more manufacturers. Volvo would probably side-step into TCR too, once the WTCC finally goes belly-up.

Could well be a much cheaper, and sustainable means of going forward. Plug-and-play options are there too with Audi, and a couple of others. The ruleset also lends itself to greater international potential, with world cup-style events, as well as tapping into the apparently sought-after Asia market.

Putting aside all setiment around the V8 noise (which was kinda diluted once everyone fell in love with the racket the Volvo and MB made), and big RWD sedans that are either extinct, or on the verge of... if the sport jumped onto it within the next 2-3 years and really pushed it, it could be what takes us into the next 15 years or so of premier tin-top racing in Australia.

I don't think bespoke racecars that are irrelevent to what's at the forefront of the new car market here in Australia, are the way forward anymore. It certainly never worked for sports sedans.
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I cant add anymore to than what you just said, I've looked at the series over the last 12 months and the only thing I've wondered is why there has been zero movement toward it from this country to this point in time.

A sceptic might suggest Supercars has bought the rights to the series here to ensure it never sees the light of day, or not until their Gen 1/Gen 2/Gen 3 attempts have been exasperated. And if that is the case, your point about trying to get the series off the ground in this country 5 years too late might be very prophetic...
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Will Holden continue under a TCR playbook? Do they even have an eligible car?

And should the series risk their participation, having been the backbone of Supercar, Group 'A', Group 'C' and every other series before...

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