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Old 18 Apr 2017, 06:24 (Ref:3727474)   #76
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He is offering a first hand account?

What further can he provide outside of his own experiences with CAMS nor V8SC offering any information or comments?
I notice Aust GT or the AFL gave no comment either, I blame Donald Trump personally

Seriously some pie in the sky question without any action to back it up but the one guy who was lippy about the whole thing
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Old 18 Apr 2017, 07:45 (Ref:3727486)   #77
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The usual suspects with the usual comments i see

This weekends calendar of events at Phillip Island would be right up their alley, nothing but Supercars....
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Old 18 Apr 2017, 08:31 (Ref:3727499)   #78
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The usual suspects with the usual comments i see

This weekends calendar of events at Phillip Island would be right up their alley, nothing but Supercars....
Untrue there's 86's and one other yet to be named catoegry as well
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Old 25 May 2017, 06:32 (Ref:3735818)   #79
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Audi has bought out its RS3 TCR car, and I have to admit the thought of hearing that flat-5 gargling its way around Australian race tracks got me hot, until I realised this RS3 is going to be running the 2-litre four-pot as run in the Golf and Seat racers overseas.

http://www.theracetorque.com/2017/05...ds-down-under/

Still, if we get any of the manufacturers interested, TCR could grow legs.

Do we though have room for another class with $200k cars? That has to be front running DVS or rear of grid Supercars surely?
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Old 25 May 2017, 07:59 (Ref:3735841)   #80
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Audi has bought out its RS3 TCR car, and I have to admit the thought of hearing that flat-5 gargling its way around Australian race tracks got me hot, until I realised this RS3 is going to be running the 2-litre four-pot as run in the Golf and Seat racers overseas.

http://www.theracetorque.com/2017/05...ds-down-under/

Still, if we get any of the manufacturers interested, TCR could grow legs.

Do we though have room for another class with $200k cars? That has to be front running DVS or rear of grid Supercars surely?
I love the concept of TCR but I just do not think a strictly Australian series is feasible currently, it would over saturate Australian motorsport as the Race Torque said and I think it would be bizarre to run it in the GT Trophy Series.
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Old 25 May 2017, 08:07 (Ref:3735842)   #81
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They run the MARC cars in GT-T.

Nothing bizarre there.

Will need to confirm, but TCR cars were doing similar lap times to GT4 cars at the Dubai 24hr this year. Very similar running gear to the GT4-spec KTM X-Bow. One such TCR Audi did the TCR sprint event AND the 24hr on the same weekend. Finished all sessions, and won it's class in the 24hr.
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Old 25 May 2017, 08:32 (Ref:3735859)   #82
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They run the MARC cars in GT-T.
I personally don't see any issue with it. The cars, parts and support are available and the manufacturers want to sell them.

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Will need to confirm, but TCR cars were doing similar lap times to GT4 cars at the Dubai 24hr this year. Very similar running gear to the GT4-spec KTM X-Bow. One such TCR Audi did the TCR sprint event AND the 24hr on the same weekend. Finished all sessions, and won it's class in the 24hr.
I didn't make the connection with the X-Bow - damn they are making their amortisation costs out of that homologation.

Given all of the above, I want one!!!
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Old 25 May 2017, 17:44 (Ref:3735968)   #83
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I love the concept of TCR but I just do not think a strictly Australian series is feasible currently,
It's a pity.

I think the German series is by far the most successful TCR series - incredible 40 car grids! But the inevitable array of safety cars when you have a field full of amateur drivers is not so great.

For 350bhp/1300kg they honestly don't seem *THAT* slow, as long as you don't race them on boring wide Grand Prix circuits. They seem quite fast around Macau for example.
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Old 25 May 2017, 17:46 (Ref:3735969)   #84
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Do we though have room for another class with $200k cars? That has to be front running DVS or rear of grid Supercars surely?
They were AU$150k were they not? So similar in price to a top flight Production Racing car such as the BMW M4, but for that you get a standardised package with good resale value instead of a one-off.

Besides that is still one third the price of a BTCC or WTCC car. At the moment there is no ladder to go from Australia to WTCC or TCR International categories, which is a pity for aspiring "touring car" (as in proper front wheel drive European touring cars) racers.

There is good potential for manufacturer support (Peugeot, Honda, VW, Audi, KIA, Hyundai, Alfa Romeo, Holden/Opel) especially "win on sunday, sell on Monday" given that they are production based and are true road relevant touring cars.
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Old 25 May 2017, 22:41 (Ref:3736057)   #85
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The 200k figure came from Audi customer sport.

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The Audis are the dearest, but apparently you get what you pay for; top-notch safety, well-finished, excellent aftersales support.
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as in proper front wheel drive European touring cars
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Old 26 May 2017, 19:46 (Ref:3736227)   #88
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You don't like front wheel drive!?

It's what touring car racing is all about! Yeah, sure there are some BMWs in there, but they are just an oddity for variety. It's not like 2000cc naturally aspirated RWD cars have been readily available any time recently.

Yeah there is probably more torque steer when you are turning and accelerating than you might like, but tuned NA 4 cylinder engines in RWD cars are just not readily available... ^

Almost always your tuned 4 cylinders engine like your Honda K20, Renault F4R and Ford Duratec come in FWD hatches and sedans. So therefore FWD is what it's about.

^ (apart from a small number of exceptions like E30 M3, Honda S2000, MX5, Toyota 86... which are the exception that proves the rule TBH and mostly those are impractical sportscars not touring cars)

Tiff takes the Vauxhall, Toyota and BMW super tourers out for a spin... https://youtu.be/cEfiwyiV8hs?t=4m30s
Damon Hill is most positive about the road going version of the front wheel drive Accord Type R (as raced in super touring)... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPMZtAnKDuE
Road car battle royale, lots of fun: Focus vs Megane vs MINI vs Audi A1... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPnAtNbrygk
Civic Type R road car, "like a drug" around Silverstone... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cczr9EGKwVo

As you can see, drivers like Tiff and Hill can still enjoy punting a "lowly FWD econobox", race or road car, even though they have raced the fastest of the fast Formula One cars and Porsche Le Mans prototypes.
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^ (apart from a small number of exceptions like E30 M3, Honda S2000, MX5, Toyota 86... which are the exception that proves the rule TBH and mostly those are impractical sportscars not touring cars)
I love how you dismiss some of the greatest driving cars of the recent era...
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I love how you dismiss some of the greatest driving cars of the recent era...
Sorry, I don't follow.

No question those are better driving cars but you can't put four people and luggage or ikea flatpack or a washing machine in them like you can with a hatchback.


The lightest practical (sporty) RWD cars tend to be at least 1500kg (and very expensive since they are mostly prestige cars), a lot heavier and more expensive than (sporty) FWD hatchbacks.

If there was a sedan version of a 86 or S2000 that would be very appealing, but there isn't. The best you can do is a BMW, ideally the wailing straight six with the vanos, or the later turbos, but they start to get expensive, they have issues as a used car, etc etc.

This Honda FWD junkie eventually picked up his BMW M3 dream car (obviously there aren't many honda RWD choices, honda only offered the impactical s2000 or very expensive nsx in recent times), but he is the first to say it's perhaps the m3 is not *that much* more thrilling than his Integra despite the RWD and how much more it costs.

Just sayin' that fwd is not that bad. The BTCC is a lot of fun to this day. Plus the FWD cars, the majority, have a very good chance to save spins which makes for some great biff and barge action without the victims ending up in the grass as ofton as they might do.

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