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CSCC Traditional season opener. Includes 2 races for the Morgan Challenge.
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Old 7 Apr 2017, 20:51 (Ref:3724441)   #16
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andy97 should be qualifying in the top 10 on the gridandy97 should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
How many of us have a speedometer fitted? Never had a race car with one. Yes I may be able to work out a speed at certain revs, and pit stop races usually rely on a similar technique for the pit lane speed limit, but you need to make things simple in a race scenario.
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Old 7 Apr 2017, 21:04 (Ref:3724446)   #17
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It's easy. Calculate the revs in say 3rd gear and mark the rev counter. Plenty of speed/rev convertors on Google

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Old 7 Apr 2017, 21:33 (Ref:3724449)   #18
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I know how it is done, but in the heat of battle it is just easier to glance at a speedo, and who know what gear you going to be in at each part of a particular circuit.

The safety car isn't perfect, but it's an easier system to implement at this level.
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Old 7 Apr 2017, 23:09 (Ref:3724458)   #19
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It's easy. Calculate the revs in say 3rd gear and mark the rev counter. Plenty of speed/rev convertors on Google

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Easier said than done, possibly. I know that in the case of my car, we changed gear ratios and diff ratios according to the circuit. And we also changed the combinations of the two dependent on layout, so that what I used at Brands Indy was different to what I ran on the GP circuit, and hugely different to the setup that was used for the old Snetterton.

I would imagine that modern racers do the same.
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I know how it is done, but in the heat of battle it is just easier to glance at a speedo, and who know what gear you going to be in at each part of a particular circuit.

The safety car isn't perfect, but it's an easier system to implement at this level.
Then fit one Andy
It's been around on the continent for a few years, personally I find it brilliant as the main benefit from the drivers' POV is preventing red flags - so no ruined races and no lost track time.
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Old 8 Apr 2017, 06:56 (Ref:3724523)   #21
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I think the issue is that competitors at 'this level' are not used to having need of an accurate speedo for things such as Code 60. Like a lot of people, I mark the pit lane limit on the rev counter- usually for 2nd and 3rd if 4 speed box. I set using GPS. (In non racing conditions!) For Code 60 you rely on all cars having an accurate measurement of speed, otherwise you will get cars dropping back or catching up. What chance of everyone having 60kph accurately measured on speedo or rev counter?

I seem to remember in F1 last year, when under virtual SC, LH being caught up by NR- and if they were going exactly the speed legislated that should not have happened...

Personally, if I knew my 60kph to be exact, I would be well peeved if a competitor made up 1/2 a lap on me due to his measurement being 'less accurate'! Plus there is always a chance that someone has a very conservative measurement and holds you up.

I'm sure it will become more second nature with practice, but without all cars having an accurate fitted speedo or a simple GPS driven version, there are bound to be anomalies. I know there are issues with driver behaviour behind SC as well, but probably easier to deal with?

This is the sort of GPS speedo I've seen being used. Just need everyone to have one..... https://www.digital-speedos.co.uk/ga...-c36/ds50-p401

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Old 8 Apr 2017, 08:07 (Ref:3724532)   #22
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Or you could consider a gps data logger system dedicated to RC models. Compact, light, often reliable and water-resistant (good for Grp6). Search words could be gps speed meter sky rc. They even record basic data.
In your country/countries I guess no device will work fine till you change
CODE 60 to CODE 37,29 ! If you dont you'll always find some smart butts saying" not my fault thought it was 60 mph !".
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Baub, it's actually 60kph, but what's a few kliks between friends.

And you seem to have misspelt your moniker; surely it starts with "clu"?
Where is the evidence for that assertion? I don't think that your claim to be a 'friend' would stand up in court quite frankly, however, a counter claim for slander would stand a very good chance indeed.
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A previous attempt to post something on Code 60 failed to appear possibly because I forgot to press submit, or deletion by offended moderator.

Code 60 also means 'Speed up Mike.'
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Code 60 also means 'Speed up Mike
Robert that would be a CODE 69 then. Something like party already started, join us !
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More seriously the gps data logging systems present another advantage, they record. Now even the on-board images must be kept at disposition of the organiser so I guess everything will have to be shortly.
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Or you could consider a gps data logger system.
Yet more expense. It all adds up.
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Yet more expense. It all adds up.
Indeed Andy. Some models go for cheap (SkyRC SK around 57 plus shipping) thanks to the Chinese industry. What worries me are the "new rules" everything being policed very soon. On board images are no longer our property and you can't refuse an organiser to put a camera in your car and use the images for whatever wanted commercial or not. When I go racing its not to have a policeman on board!. or a virtual mother in law!
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I thought the code 60 worked pretty well, okay not everyone was doing 60 BUT everyone did slow down considerably and no overtaking that I saw.

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And - superb grids with some close racing (as we have come to expect) doesn't make our job any easier but it does keep us busy lol.

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