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Old 15 Jan 2017, 12:06 (Ref:3702714)   #1
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Minimum age for Historic race cars?

From what I've seen and heard, in the USA a race car becomes 'historic' almost as soon as it isn't 'current'.

Ignoring jokes about new build Cobras, 'E' Types, etc., we've already seen 90s 'Supertourers' being raced competitively again, and track displays of late GT cars. This season Peter Auto has two events where GT1 cars (1994 to 2011) can be exercised. (https://peterauto.peter.fr/en/platea...id/224/nom/GT1)

Could this be a precursor to a race series for these cars, and if so, a good move? Or are they too young......
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Old 15 Jan 2017, 15:00 (Ref:3702731)   #2
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Bit of a strange format from PA....several sessions none of which are timed? As you say must be a toe in the water to see if there are enough out there who want to come and play.
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Old 15 Jan 2017, 17:10 (Ref:3702748)   #3
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For a moment there I was thinking someone was starting to suggest that the drivers should only be in period

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Old 15 Jan 2017, 17:35 (Ref:3702752)   #4
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Bit of a strange format from PA....several sessions none of which are timed? As you say must be a toe in the water to see if there are enough out there who want to come and play.
Agreed. They often do like that. Do you remember when CER was on Saturday before modern racing Le Mans series style? They are testing Formula Vee too and pre war and …
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For a moment there I was thinking someone was starting to suggest that the drivers should only be in period

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Yes, I realised that the title could be interpreted that way a little too late!

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I was surprised to see races for 90s road cars at events like the Silverstone classic but then realised that they are getting on for 25 years old.
When we started historic racing in the 80s we ended up replacing the prewar Riley with a Formula Junior which would have been about 25 years old.
So I can understand the inclusion of these modern cars.
But there is a difference in how little cars have evolved between the 90s & current days compared to the 60s and 80s, so on that basis I'm not interested in these recent cars myself.
I'm also not entirely convinced that situations like the original team running one of their older cars is actually historic racing but that is probably another issue.
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Old 17 Jan 2017, 15:07 (Ref:3703167)   #7
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I was surprised to see races for 90s road cars at events like the Silverstone classic but then realised that they are getting on for 25 years old.
When we started historic racing in the 80s we ended up replacing the prewar Riley with a Formula Junior which would have been about 25 years old.
So I can understand the inclusion of these modern cars.
But there is a difference in how little cars have evolved between the 90s & current days compared to the 60s and 80s, so on that basis I'm not interested in these recent cars myself.
I'm also not entirely convinced that situations like the original team running one of their older cars is actually historic racing but that is probably another issue.
You've turned into an old fart trapped in your specific generational slot…it happens too us all. Cars up to about 1985 is my cut off point...
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In motorsport terms tomorrows car is historic once it has the dust sheets pulled off.
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You've turned into an old fart trapped in your specific generational slot…it happens too us all. Cars up to about 1985 is my cut off point...
Very true - I even thought these policemen are very young when they stopped me for a 'chat' the other day!

I think mid to late 80s is a good cut off but I did work on F3000 cars at the time so they are 'current' to me!

It does seem strange when I see historic F1 cars etc. that we were the historic support race for when they were new.
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Old 18 Jan 2017, 05:24 (Ref:3703294)   #11
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In motorsport terms tomorrows car is historic once it has the dust sheets pulled off.
Yes, but as mentioned in the initial post, only (AFAIK) in the USA would a 'modern' race car be welcomed in 'historic' racing. The cost of running LMP, GT and Formula stuff must be prohibitive. Even the later GpC cars seem to need an awful amount of man power to get on track, so are there enough owners or potential owners of modern stuff with deep enough pockets? And why would they want to race a car just a few years old, when they are likely wealthy enough to run the latest thing in a current series?
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Cars up to about 1985 is my cut off point...[/QUOTE]
1979 if you allow me to join. Modern injection systems are real nuisance to historic racing, I'd love to find series forbidding them, something like carbs only with tolerance for K Jetronic.
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31.12.1990 is the official FIA cut-off date for historic racing cars.

After that, you have to take one thing into account, electronics went everywhere and therefore it becomes very hard to control what an individual can do with those "funny boxes" unless you have properly trained scrutineers or let's say, engineers...
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31.12.1990 is the official FIA cut-off date for historic racing cars.
I presume you mean 'cut-off date' that is required for a series or championship to be sanctioned by the FIA? I guess that means the HSCC '90s Supertourers series in the UK is not sanctioned by them or the cars are not classed as historic?
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