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Old 30 Jan 2017, 09:37 (Ref:3707746)   #16
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At the very least, mind it does promote the question how many of today's historic cars are historic
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Old 31 Jan 2017, 11:46 (Ref:3708085)   #17
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I presume you mean 'cut-off date' that is required for a series or championship to be sanctioned by the FIA? I guess that means the HSCC '90s Supertourers series in the UK is not sanctioned by them or the cars are not classed as historic?
Yes that is it, the FIA would not recognise a Series or Championship post 1990.

Taking on other comments, I do think it is reasonable as you enter the true world of electronics from that point. Also take into account the complexity of some of the cars from 1985, you would need real and true understanding of rules as well as engineering to try and rule such cars correctly. Group C is a good example in my opinion, all now running on Motec or modern equivalent of their period electronics, all sort of mappings and a lot of performace enhancement from that.

Super tourers and other examples as such are truly great cars but take ITC or DTM cars of 1993-1996, who could understand these cars correctly as in period they had more electronics than what was allowed in F1 ?

On recent GT & LMP cars coming out, first things these guys do is take out the restrictors or for the BOSS series, they replace a 3.5 with a 5.0L Judd, practical and more economic but above all much more powerfull...
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Old 12 Apr 2017, 16:13 (Ref:3725885)   #18
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Masters launches new Le Mans Legends Series

Time to resurrect this thread- News received today ......

http://www.mastershistoricracing.com...egends-series/
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Le Mans Legends

Masters launches new Le Mans Legends Series
Le Mans sports and GT cars from 1995 – 2011 set for new series
Le Mans veteran Nicolas Minassian to act as Series Director
Pilot race planned for 2017 with series launch in 2018
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Masters Historic Racing, one of Europe’s leading promoters of historic motor racing, has announced its latest initiative, a series of races for Le Mans eligible sports and GT cars from 1995 to 2011. The series will begin in 2018 but a pilot race will be run at Spa-Francorchamps this September (15-17), a circuit at which many of the cars raced in period.
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The Masters Le Mans Legends series is for sports-racing cars from the International Sports Racing Series, the FIA Sports Car Championship, European Le Mans Series, American Le Mans Series, Intercontinental Le Mans Cup and Le Mans Endurance Series. With cars eligible from the earlier SR1 and SR2 regulations and then the subsequent LMP1 and LMP2 regulations, there is a vast number of chassis race-ready for this exciting new series. In addition, there will be categories for IMSA sports cars of the equivalent period and GT1 and GT2 cars from the equivalent period.
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The series will initially have a class structure split into three main eras: 1995-1999, 2000-2005 and 2006-2011.* Each era will also be split into four categories for LMP1, LMP2, GT1 and GT2 to cater for the differing types of cars, giving everyone an opportunity to race for awards. Regulations will mirror those used in period.
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The 2018 series will run at a maximum of six Masters Historic Racing events at circuits in Europe that can accommodate the speeds and safety requirements of the cars. The race weekend format in 2018 will likely consist of two 30-minute qualifying sessions and a 45-minute race, with mandatory pit stops in each race and penalties applied to professional drivers to equate the field.
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In addition, ace sports car racer Nicolas Minassian will act as Series Director with responsibility for overseeing technical stability and promoting grid sizes.
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“I am delighted to work with Masters Historic Racing on this new initiative,” said Nicolas. “These are superb cars which captured the hearts of the fans and the drivers and with them being recent cars, they are fresh in people’s minds. This is the ultimate historic racing category and one I believe that has enormous potential with so many cars built from major motor manufacturers and low-volume race car constructors. I wish I could find a car for myself!”
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Masters Historic Racing’s Ron Maydon is very excited about the new series: “I have been looking at the bigger picture and what will be the next era of historic racing for a long time and we feel that this is the perfect series. These are fabulous cars and will undoubtedly thrill fans and drivers alike. We are delighted to be working with Nic Minassian on this project too as his name is synonymous with these cars.
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“We will be running a pilot race this year at the Spa Six Hours meeting and then plan to build on that over the winter for our series in 2018 but we are announcing it now so that people have a long lead-in time to join the must-do historic racing class.”
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The Masters Le Mans Legends series will run at the Spa Six Hours on September 15-17 and news of early entries to the series will come as race weekend approaches.

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Old 12 Apr 2017, 18:28 (Ref:3725923)   #20
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When the HSCC started in 1966, cars such as D-Types featured in their first race. They were only 10 or 11 years old then. Mind you, a D-Type is clearly from another era when compared to a 1966 GT40, whereas the cars in the picture on the Masters website look bang up-to-date to my eye...
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Old 12 Apr 2017, 18:59 (Ref:3725937)   #21
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Yes, although looking very current, some of the cars suggested are much like those (or exactly those!) that are already accepted as historic in the USA. Maybe the fact that MHR have a presence over the pond with their F1 series has influenced the initiative.....

Interesting that the period 1995-2011 is virtually same as Pete Auto have adopted for their GT1 cars. (See first post)

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Ok, so if no one else will bite then .....
The top flight of this era of cars are very serious bits of kit. Surely now a proper licensing system has to be initiated - a licence and medical/fitness test that ensures that these cars are driven by capable, fit and responsible people? Having seen the struggles that some have had with Group C cars is it not irresponsible to not make sure that these car's drivers are "fit for purpose" - no pun intended?
When it would appear that today the only real test of driver's suitability can be carried out with a vernier caliper (to measure the drivers wallet) there are serious questions that need asking.
Just my ten pennies worth.
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Old 13 Apr 2017, 08:27 (Ref:3726054)   #23
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Ah, as has just been pointed out to me away from here, this would of course be Appendix J in any case, so subject to all modern strictures and regulations, none of the opt-outs and waivers from Appendix K would apply.
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Old 13 Apr 2017, 08:46 (Ref:3726059)   #24
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Surely now a proper licensing system has to be initiated - a licence and medical/fitness test that ensures that these cars are driven by capable, fit and responsible people? Having seen the struggles that some have had with Group C cars is it not irresponsible to not make sure that these car's drivers are "fit for purpose" - no pun intended?
Simon, are you introducing the "super licence for historic" notion here? We already have the power to weight ratio haven't we? Should we call for a qualification system based on a percentage of the best time achieved? Or ask a pro - also called Elite- to establish the best time of each car on the grid? Probably in the very short term we'll see two different kinds of racing, one for the pros and one for the rest of the world looking for pleasure only.
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Simon, are you introducing the "super licence for historic" notion here? We already have the power to weight ratio haven't we? Should we call for a qualification system based on a percentage of the best time achieved? Or ask a pro - also called Elite- to establish the best time of each car on the grid? Probably in the very short term we'll see two different kinds of racing, one for the pros and one for the rest of the world looking for pleasure only.
The trouble here Gerard, and you've raced at places like Le Mans in modern terms so you know about this, the speed differentials.

With cars capable of taking Eau Rouge flat, you need serious skills both in terms of driving standards but surely in managing the speed of the competition around you. Also and just talking of fitness, the speed makes fitness a purpose. In running, an individual might take on a Marathon as his first race and achieve a +5 hours time being satisfied but by doing so, you don't put people around you at risk as the big guys are already debriefing or probably already home by the time you've finished.
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Ok, so if no one else will bite then .....
The top flight of this era of cars are very serious bits of kit. Surely now a proper licensing system has to be initiated - a licence and medical/fitness test that ensures that these cars are driven by capable, fit and responsible people? Having seen the struggles that some have had with Group C cars is it not irresponsible to not make sure that these car's drivers are "fit for purpose" - no pun intended?
When it would appear that today the only real test of driver's suitability can be carried out with a vernier caliper (to measure the drivers wallet) there are serious questions that need asking.
Just my ten pennies worth.
You give good value for ten pence, Simon!

The thought of some current historic racers attempting to get into, let alone drive, some of the kit suggested, is scary enough. Obviously there are those that would employ the services of a pro for driving duty, as happens now, so perhaps a chance of bit of extra work for some. Certainly some minimal medical and driving ability requirements needed for anyone wanting to race, IMHO. And forget normal licence grades, something extra should be legislated.

Interesting times.....

BTW Louis, Eau Rouge was flat in my 130bhp 924 when I drove it at Spa, but I guess that's not what you had in mind!
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You give good value for ten pence, Simon!

The thought of some current historic racers attempting to get into, let alone drive, some of the kit suggested, is scary enough. Obviously there are those that would employ the services of a pro for driving duty, as happens now, so perhaps a chance of bit of extra work for some. Certainly some minimal medical and driving ability requirements needed for anyone wanting to race, IMHO. And forget normal licence grades, something extra should be legislated.

Interesting times.....

BTW Louis, Eau Rouge was flat in my 130bhp 924 when I drove it at Spa, but I guess that's not what you had in mind!
If youre talking about Raidillon (not the watch brand Louis!) Yes its quite tricky flat out! Even with a group1!

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BTW Louis, Eau Rouge was flat in my 130bhp 924 when I drove it at Spa, but I guess that's not what you had in mind!
But was it flat in the Gilbern?!
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I think great care needs to be taken to ensure that the baby is not thrown out with the bath-water.

There are entrants with some superb machinery that add a lot to the historic scene, and who have some more than extremely capable drivers within the family who can peddle the cars right at the front, whilst some of their other cars are spread throughout the field.

If these entrants were to be denied the possibility of driving their own cars, it may well result in those cars not being seen on a regular basis, because it is quite obvious that part of the great joy in owning these beautiful cars is having the opportunity of actually driving them in races of cars of a similar ilk.
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Old 13 Apr 2017, 15:45 (Ref:3726126)   #30
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Mike, agreed with that. Its only about to find organisations or better to settle them to this kind of entrants, pure amateurs looking for pleasure only. At Jarama, the first Chevron was in 1'35"4 while my old bloke Claude was around 1'46"8. Two different worlds dont you think so?
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