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Old 3 Apr 2017, 23:00 (Ref:3723595)   #31
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4. The injury is more serious than they realised, and so he's not fit to drive a race distance yet.
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Old 3 Apr 2017, 23:53 (Ref:3723604)   #32
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4. The injury is more serious than they realised, and so he's not fit to drive a race distance yet.
Yet that isn't the way it is being shared. The continued theatrics are almost like a paydriver telling everyone they are going to run in an event, their cheque doesn't clear, so they don't. Then tell everyone they will be at the next event.

You can't help but wonder if Mercedes really & truly dodged a bullet by choosing Mr Bottas instead for their works squad..
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Old 4 Apr 2017, 06:18 (Ref:3723648)   #33
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I was 100% on board with Wehrlein in Australia. I watched some of his interviews and I believed him on his word. I may be a little bit fragile myself, but to me his reasoning sounded valid. He said he felt he was back to being healthy, but that the break in training that he had to have while recoperating meant he wasn't at peak fitness, which could compromise him quite significantly at a "street circuit".

I fell for it.

The story we are getting now is quite different, or so it would seem. Now he's back to being injured and has a lengthy stand down period before he is likely to come back. Why would they already be saying two more races?

The injury is either far more significant than originally thought, or there is genuine interest in keeping Giovinazzi in the seat. I'm now leaning more towards the latter, and I'm not entirely disappointed. I think a lot of people are excited to see what he can do this weekend. Another good showing and it could be a Ferrari (or at very least a Haas) seat next year. I wouldn't go past Ferrari taking Grosjean next year if Kimi's form doesn't return.
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Old 4 Apr 2017, 07:35 (Ref:3723661)   #34
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Some stories are still mentioning Ferrari making a deal with Kaltenborn to get Giovanni in the seat for the race as the real reason. A bunch of $$'s worth apparently. And it worked. Ferrari's investment paid off handsomely.
And I think the stories I heard are probably true. And AG's stock has risen sharply since he's drive at the AUS GP.

Hears another little story I heard from Melbourne's pitlane. Ferrari F1 Team is aiming to be an all Italian team. All Italian. Every employee. From the cleaner to the CEO. Including the drivers. "100% Made in Italy" is what Arrivabene wants to promote to the world. So having AG in the Sauber seat for a few more races will hopefully give the Italian driver the experience required for the Ferrari seat in 2018.

If this is so, what of SV in the next couple of years? They cannot be an all Italian team with a German driver surely?? Goodbye SV in 2019? And all the other non-Italian employees currently at working at Ferrari?
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Old 4 Apr 2017, 08:10 (Ref:3723667)   #35
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All Italian. Apart from the ECU, that's British. And the fuel, that's dutch.

Basically it's all Italian apart from the bits that aren't Italian.
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Old 4 Apr 2017, 09:33 (Ref:3723681)   #36
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All Italian. Apart from the ECU, that's British. And the fuel, that's dutch.

Basically it's all Italian apart from the bits that aren't Italian.


Like the UK born James Allison who was ousted and replaced by Italian Mattia Binotto. Except Binotto was born in Switzerland.

Got to hand it Binotto, his been with Ferrari since 1995. That's a long term commitment.
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Old 4 Apr 2017, 09:46 (Ref:3723684)   #37
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Like the UK born James Allison who was ousted and replaced by Italian Mattia Binotto. Except Binotto was born in Switzerland.

Got to hand it Binotto, his been with Ferrari since 1995. That's a long term commitment.
Except that Allison wasn't ousted. After the loss of his wife, he probably wisely, felt that it would be better for their children that they were back with the family in the UK.

I think that Ferrari acted quite honourably with Allison, allowing him as much compassionate leave as he required.
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Old 4 Apr 2017, 09:47 (Ref:3723687)   #38
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Driver nationality should be considered a bonus. If they can get an Italian who can win the world championship, then brilliant. But there's no point in getting an Italian who is average, and then giving away your potential world champion to other teams. Not only do you hurt your chance, but you increase your opponents chances. The only Italian to ever win the world title with Ferrari was Ascari. And they'd have never have had the 2000- 2004 Championships if they had given Schumacher away to McLaren and hired Trulli and Fisichella.
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Old 4 Apr 2017, 12:02 (Ref:3723706)   #39
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I have mixed views on Pascal's decision. On the one hand he's very brave and honest to admit he's not ready, but plenty of drivers would go for it and push it over the line if they had to, racing through the discomfort
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Old 4 Apr 2017, 12:29 (Ref:3723712)   #40
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If you see where playing through discomfort has put Tiger Woods... His example might make other athletes with back issues think twice.
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Old 4 Apr 2017, 12:34 (Ref:3723713)   #41
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I have mixed views on Pascal's decision. On the one hand he's very brave and honest to admit he's not ready, but plenty of drivers would go for it and push it over the line if they had to, racing through the discomfort
Just a thought to put out there....but. FI didn't chose him because of his off track attitude, the feeling perhaps that he wasn't easy to work with, so there is something around Pascal that doesn't gel and Mercedes didn't stick him in the car either.

I appreciate that driver safety, etc is paramount but I do find it strange that having been signed off by medics to test and race that Pascal has sat back and let another driver sit in his car and even more so having seen how quick he is, let him keep it 'warm' for another two races!

Surely that goes against every competitive drivers instinct?

Something doesn't ring true to me.
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I'm surprised there are still people that think drivers or any team member for that matter would still speak the truth instead of saying whatever the team principals and sponsors want them to say.
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Old 4 Apr 2017, 13:48 (Ref:3723720)   #43
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Have to agree with Moneyseeker.

I feel he is simply not keen enough if it is just his decision. A driver coach I know really rated Giovinacci and his performance came as no surprise.

Back to the drawing board for PW I reccon
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yeah it is strange that he was cleared by the FIA doctors to race but ultimately chose not to.

but i find that part of me wants to believe his reasoning of lacking the proper fitness though.

not so much because i want to believe him, rather i like the notion that this years cars are more demanding to drive.

so after a back injury (one that perhaps was more serious) and missing out on training is it really surprising that a 130lbs? 22 year old lacks the required fitness level?

of course, the same issues surrounding the demands of this years cars plus drivers weight and age should also be used to highlight just how impressive AG's last minute substitution was...at this point i actually want to see more of AG in the car then i do PW.
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Note that Wehrlein participated in pre season testing and Friday practice for the Australian GP. I tend to not think that the Giovinazzi substitution was planned going into the GP weekend. Otherwise why let Wehrlein in the car on Friday vs. putting Giovinazzi in right away to give him more time in the car. I wonder if there was a question about his health after the ROC crash beyond the back injury and that this was evaluated during the pre season testing and then most definately during Friday practice?

When I think of driver fitness, I tend to think of being able to sustain G loads on the neck over the course of a race weekend. I know it is much more than that, but I think of musculoskeletal conditioning first. But "fitness" is a very generic term and could cover many things. Recovery from a back injury may be 100% accurate, or it also a very easy to use as cover for something else.

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yeah it is strange that he was cleared by the FIA doctors to race but ultimately chose not to.
I don't know the details of this, but does anyone know what the protocol is used by the FIA/F1 regarding saying a driver is "fit"? What do they examine and test? Specifically does F1 have a concussion protocol? I looked online and I can't seem to find a definitive answer. This is an interesting document (from 2015)...

http://www.fiainstitute.com/document...Medical-5a.pdf

It's clearly a topic of discussion within FIA and elsewhere. And has had more focus in other motorsports (such as NASCAR) which I think has an explicit protocol. I have to wonder if he was technically cleared, but by a protocol that may not cover all things that might actually cause problems during a event.

If you watch the ROC crash with Wehrlein (plenty of videos on YouTube), to me.. he takes a good hit right on the helmet as the car rolls into the barricades. While his back may have been injured, I wonder if what is really going on is some long term concussion issues? And if the FIA does not have an explicit concussion protocol, he might be technically cleared, but still experiencing problems while in the car. That Sauber may be evaluating his progress race by race and fully understanding that based upon other concussion protocols used elsewhere, that he may not be able to return anytime soon. Hence the potential for missing at minimum one and maybe two more races.

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