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Old 4 Apr 2017, 05:48 (Ref:3723637)   #16
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Surely all this money is better spent on building a track in NSW somewhere that doesn't already have a circuit?

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there must be some logic behind the 2nd circuit. anyone know what it is?
The main idea of the second circuit for a long time was to "bring the bikes back home"


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for $50 Mill you could buy all the properties and the current track would be permanent
Could making the track permanent bring on other consequences, like requirements for run-off areas across the top etc...? (I've no idea, but i'd assume non-permanent circuits get some leeway on things like this)
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Old 4 Apr 2017, 08:01 (Ref:3723665)   #17
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there must be some logic behind the 2nd circuit. anyone know what it is?

Does it get around the rules regarding only so many races?

for $50 Mill you could buy all the properties and the current track would be permanent
You could not by all the properties for $50 million.

The proposed second track has been in the wind for a long time and is tied up with the proposed development of a Velocity Park encompassing all things from manufacturers, specialist equipment/parts/fabricators/engineering for both 2 and 4 wheel sectors.
It will provide employment for people and the chance to get away from the ratrace to affordable living and an ideal place to bring up young children.

The Bathurst Regional Council has done a lot of work on the project for a number of years and sees the financial benefit it will bring to town as well as providing more avenues for carclubs etc. Distance is nothing in the country and with the ever improving roads is now only 2.5 hours from the big smoke.
Where would you prefer to go ..windy Wakefield or a venue with multiple track configurations including a possible 2nd hillclimb ?
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Old 4 Apr 2017, 09:46 (Ref:3723685)   #18
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How incredibly stupid. Who in their right mind would go to Bathurst and want their race on another generic cookie cutter racetrack, when one of the greatest tracks in the world is about 500 metres away !?!??!? It would never get used.
This is 100% right.As for the motorcycle angle I go to a lot of domestic motor cycle racing and the competitor base is not that strong compared to any past period and spectator support is nearly non existent. Combine that with a freezing climate for 5-6 months of the year where ice racing would be the only option and it makes less sense.
If NSW needs another circuit the one proposed north of Newcastle seems the best option.
And by the way Bathursts Moto GP fantasies are just that as the Victorian government has the race tied up for nearly the next 10 years.If NSW really wanted this event or any other international event short of F1 there already is a homologated circuit in the state.
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Old 4 Apr 2017, 10:10 (Ref:3723691)   #19
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This is 100% right.As for the motorcycle angle I go to a lot of domestic motor cycle racing and the competitor base is not that strong compared to any past period and spectator support is nearly non existent. Combine that with a freezing climate for 5-6 months of the year where ice racing would be the only option and it makes less sense.
If NSW needs another circuit the one proposed north of Newcastle seems the best option.
And by the way Bathursts Moto GP fantasies are just that as the Victorian government has the race tied up for nearly the next 10 years.If NSW really wanted this event or any other international event short of F1 there already is a homologated circuit in the state.
We are of a similar vintage and I can assure you that Glenmore Park/Penrith is as cold if not colder than Bathurst- a jumper on first up on a crisp morning then down to shirt sleeves once the sun warms things up is the norm.
I'm not getting into the Moto GP stuff as I grew up on a diet of English bikes
around the circuit -what a great sound with that deep note particularly around the top of the Mountain and over Skyline. What memories!

The healthy bike fields at SMSP tell me that things aren't too bad and the non existent spectator is common to all forms of motor sport both 2 and 4 wheel.
I hope the new track and the associated Velocity Park come to fruition in the not too distant future whilst I am still young enough to enjoy them.
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We are of a similar vintage and I can assure you that Glenmore Park/Penrith is as cold if not colder than Bathurst- a jumper on first up on a crisp morning then down to shirt sleeves once the sun warms things up is the norm.
I'm not getting into the Moto GP stuff as I grew up on a diet of English bikes
around the circuit -what a great sound with that deep note particularly around the top of the Mountain and over Skyline. What memories!

The healthy bike fields at SMSP tell me that things aren't too bad and the non existent spectator is common to all forms of motor sport both 2 and 4 wheel.
I hope the new track and the associated Velocity Park come to fruition in the not too distant future whilst I am still young enough to enjoy them.
Check the temperatures in Bathurst this year April to September and you will see there is no comparison to western Sydney in these months.
Another issue is all the up market residential development that has occurred along the access road coming off the Cowra road.These people would be impacted by circuit noise as much as residents around Sandown.Cant see them accepting the development.
There were feasibility studies done the last time this was proposed and they showed it wasn't viable.
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I don't know why this keeps happening at Bathurst when there are better regional options.

Reviving Gnoo Blas would appeal greatly, but more seriously something around Tamworth/Armidale would probably be better placed.

I recall a high standard kart track being built near Coffs in the early(?) 90s, is it still going?

Could it sustain a car/bike circuit?
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I don't know why this keeps happening at Bathurst when there are better regional options.

Reviving Gnoo Blas would appeal greatly, but more seriously something around Tamworth/Armidale would probably be better placed.

I recall a high standard kart track being built near Coffs in the early(?) 90s, is it still going?

Could it sustain a car/bike circuit?
If you mean the kart track across the road from the airport it is still going but not enough land to build a race circuit.Toormina residential development has got a lot closer to it.It keeps coming up at Bathurst because local politicians think it is an easy vote winner in council,and even state,elections.
The circuit near Port Stephens is the best option for a regional circuit based on the large population base from the Central Coast up and that someone owns the land and they want to build a race track.
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Old 5 Apr 2017, 11:13 (Ref:3723925)   #23
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I don't know why this keeps happening at Bathurst when there are better regional options.
Because Bathurst regional council is pushing for the track and want it as it will increase growth in the town.

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How incredibly stupid. Who in their right mind would go to Bathurst and want their race on another generic cookie cutter racetrack, when one of the greatest tracks in the world is about 500 metres away !?!??!? It would never get used.
Try and get a booking at Wakefield Park or Easter Creek. The tracks are fully booked all year so the addition of another track will be beneficial for not only motorsport but manufacturers, driver training and even TV/movie production.

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And there is the answer.

Why isn't that being looked into? Makes perfect sense. And could be the start of a regional technology hub, around motorsport activities.

The possibilities exist, if you think beyond the square
It will cost you a lot more than $50mil to buy all the houses. There would still be the noise issues for the other surrounding houses. This ne wtrack will be built on the back side of the existing circuit so the noise won't head towards town.
There will be land allocated for a business hub on the site.

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The designs that they are showing on Speedcafe, look pretty boring- Scalextrix beginners set would probably be more exciting!
These were basic drawings done by council to give an indication of the location of the tracks, hence the tender for track designs.
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This new track will be built on the back side of the existing circuit so the noise won't head towards town.
Mate, if noise is a problem with the current circuit, it's going to be a problem with the new one.

It's like we never learnt the lessons from Oran Park etc - build out of town, not within 5 minutes of the bloody CBD
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Mate, if noise is a problem with the current circuit, it's going to be a problem with the new one.

It's like we never learnt the lessons from Oran Park etc - build out of town, not within 5 minutes of the bloody CBD
There is a great big hill, otherwise known as Mount Panorama between the new track and town. That should stop most of the noise travelling towards town.
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There is a great big hill, otherwise known as Mount Panorama between the new track and town. That should stop most of the noise travelling towards town.
You (obviously) know that when the Supercars are running on the big hill, you can hear them from the road into town...
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But if I read the maps and mtpanorama's post correctly, the new track is on the other side of that current track/hill, not the town side. Isnt there a dump on the other side of the hill though? It'll be like being at the Creek with that 'unique' aroma...
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But if I read the maps and mtpanorama's post correctly, the new track is on the other side of that current track/hill, not the town side. Isnt there a dump on the other side of the hill though? It'll be like being at the Creek with that 'unique' aroma...
The Creek smells like biscuits today. Wind must be flowing in a different direction.

I didn't think you could build on a tip for 30 years after the thing is closed/remediated?
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Isn't the dump on the Esses/Dipper back side of the mountain. This proposal is talking about the big gully out behind Sulman Park I think.
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Isn't the dump on the Esses/Dipper back side of the mountain. This proposal is talking about the big gully out behind Sulman Park I think.
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