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Old 14 Jan 2005, 13:15 (Ref:1200903)   #31
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A lot of confusion there if anyone knows the definitive where abouts of the 86 brock/moffat vk i am very interested in aquiring it.
Please see my post on page 1. My source is very credible, and it is chassis #14 that you seek. Contact Noonz1 if you're serious, as I have provided him with relevant contact details.
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Old 15 Jan 2005, 01:35 (Ref:1201347)   #32
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Wasn't the Roadways VK from Sandown/Bathurst 1984 rebuilt to Group A specs and used as the #26 Grice/Cullen 1985 car, which Grice with the Lusty's crashed at Castrol Curve?


Farrell got quite a few Brock cars over the years didn't he.

I recall in 1987 at the ATCC round, he trotted a (as WSJnr has already said) #52 Mobil Statewide Oil VL Commodore in '86 HDT livery out for races in the Street Sedan class, the Sports Sedan class, as well as the ATCC race as well. Were these cars all one in the same (with the appropriate tyres fitted for the Street Sedan race), or 3 different cars?
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Old 15 Jan 2005, 03:04 (Ref:1201370)   #33
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I think you're right about the roadways Cp C/A car.
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Old 15 Jan 2005, 03:31 (Ref:1201374)   #34
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The spoiler had been jettisoned previously while battling the Nine Camaro I had thought...
I think your thinking of the battle they had in 1981 when the back wheel arch of Brock's car was dislodged by Bartlett's car early in the race.
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Old 16 Jan 2005, 09:13 (Ref:1202079)   #35
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84 MHDT VK's. Someone is playing with the truth here. All records of the time say that the 05 VK donated to the museum was the actual race car. I have even heard that Holden paid for it to be donated but that is just a rumour. Stories that they swapped the doors on the cars is a bit farscial because there has been no mention of the roof number being changed. Again stories that the rear view mirror on the Bathurst museum car is not the way the 05 car ran at Bathurst doesn't swing because the 25 car didn't run a VK type rear view mirror either! Who lied to the Bathurst museum?
Farrell ran the 25 MHDT VK in WA as number 52 (wonder why not 50?)! Was this his favorite number or just the 25 number reversed? In all the articles about Clelland getting the VK in the UK, there have been no references to it being an ex-Bathurst winner! 'Champion Mining' logo's appear on the front guards of some Team Brock cars.

Unless someone owns up to dudding the Bathurst Museum, 05 is in Bathurst, 25 is in Mt Isa.

Roadways VK. Converted to Group A as Yokohama test car then sold to Tony Kavich and run as Yellow Pages car. Currently in private hands awaiting resto to Group C. Cullen VK Group C was converted to Group A and was the car the crashed with Grice on board up the top when Grice got involved in John Lusty's crash.

There were only 3 Group C cars converted to Group A. Roadways VK, Cullens VK and Keoghs (originally MHDT VC) VH.

This is a list I got hold of a couple of years ago.

Of the seven Marlboro HDT Commodores built, at this stage only five can be accounted for. As follows,

Car 1. 1980 VB/VC.
1980 VB, Brock ATTC (1st)
1980 VB, Endurance Champs, Adelaide – Harvey (2nd),
VC, Sandown – Moffat (3rd) Bathurst - Harvey/Harrop (DNF)
1981 ATCC Benson-Brown and Larry Perkins.
1981 Benson-Brown/Rogers Bathurst (4th)
Car in 81 ‘Big’ Bathurst Crash. Rebuilt*.
(*some suggestion re-bodied but not from reliable source or can be substantiated)
1982 Benson-Brown – Some ATCC.
1982 Benson-Brown/Charlie O’Brien. Bathurst.
1983 Benson-Brown/Garry Rogers – Some ATCC
1983 Benson-Brown/Garry Rogers Bathurst.
1984 Purchased by Jim Keogh. 2nd Northern Territory/FoxFM Car
1984 Sandown. Wayne Clift/Bernie Stack/Jim Keogh.
1984 Bathurst. Wayne Clift/Bernie Stack.
1984. Sold as Roller. Whereabouts unknown at this stage.

Car 2. 1980 VB/VC.
1980 VB, Endurance Champs, Adelaide - Brock (1st)
VC, Sandown – Brock (1st) Bathurst – Brock/Richards (1st).
1981 Brock ATCC. (2nd)
1981 Endurance Champs, Adelaide – Harvey (2nd), CRC 300, Amaroo Park – Brock/Harvey (1st), Sandown - Harvey/Schuppan (4th) Bathurst – Harvey/Schuppan (crashed)
1983 VH, Keogh ATCC, AMSCAR, Endurance Champs,
1983 Bathurst – Keogh/Leonard (6th).
1984 VH, Keogh ATCC, AMSCAR, Endurance Champs,
1984 Bathurst – Keogh/Shiel (DNF).
1985 VK Grp A. Keogh most ATCC Rounds.
1985 VK Grp A, Ellis/McClure. Sandown and Bathurst (DNF).
1986 VK Grp A, Ellis. Selected ATCC Rounds.
1986 VK Grp A, Ellis/Baily, Sandown (DNF) and Bathurst (16th)
1987 VK Grp A. Ellis. Selected ATCC Rounds.
(Last race, ATCC – Sandown June 7th 1987, DNF)
1987 – 2003. Storage
2003 Restoration started back to VC 1980 Group C Spec.

Car 3. 1981 VC/VH.
1981 VC, Endurance Champs, Adelaide – Brock (1st)
Sandown – Brock (1st) Bathurst - Brock/Richards (22nd) Surfers Paradise* – Brock (2nd).
* Brock first across the line but penalised 1 min for push start.
1982 Brock ATTC (5th), Brock & Harvey Selected AMSCAR Races.
1982 CRC 300, Amaroo Park – Perkins/Scott (4th)
1982 VH, Endurance Champs. Sandown - Harvey/Scott (4th) Bathurst – Harvey/Scott (3rd)
1983 (?) VH Show Car
1984 Lusty Family. ATCC, Endurance Champs, Bathurst.
1985 (Sold to southern NSW as rolling chassis, whereabouts unknown at this stage)

Car 4. 1982 VH.
1982 Endurance Champs, Sandown – Brock (DNF)
Bathurst – Brock/Perkins (1st) Adelaide – Brock (2nd)
1983 Brock ATTC (3rd)
1983 Endurance Champs, Amaroo Park – Brock/Perkins (2nd) Sandown – Harvey/(Phil Brock)/Brock. (3rd – Disq)
1983 Harvey/Brock/Perkins (Phil Brock) Bathurst (1st)
1983 Endurance Champs. Adelaide - Harris/Cooke (5th)
1984 Harris, ATCC, Endurance Champs.
1985 Wayne Clift.
2002 Peter Champion

Car 5. 1983 VH
1983 Endurance Champs, Sandown - Brock/Perkins (DNF) Bathurst - Brock/Perkins (DNF) Adelaide – Brock (1st)
1984 Brock ATTC* (2nd)
*Harvey subbed for Brock at Surfers Paradise and Lakeside rounds.
1984 Endurance Champs, Amaroo Park – Brock (DNF, Crash) Oran Park – Harvey/Parsons (DNF)
“Watson’s Display Car” (TBC).
2003 Peter Champion.

Car 6. 1984 VK
1984 Endurance Champs, Sandown Brock/Perkins (1st) Bathurst - Brock/Perkins (1st) Surfers Paradise - Brock, (1st), Calder AGP Supports – Brock (2nd)
1985 Donated to the Bathurst Museum

Car 7. 1984 VK
1984 Endurance Champs, Sandown - Harvey/Parsons (3rd)
Bathurst - Harvey/Parsons (2nd) Surfers Paradise – Harvey (6th), Calder AGP Supports – Harvey (4th).
1985 Farrell (WA) and then the UK
2001 Willy Van Wersch (Benalla)
2002 Peter Champion.

Any further info out there?
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Old 16 Jan 2005, 09:52 (Ref:1202098)   #36
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Very thorough, does that match up with your info Noonz?

I do remember reading about a "Street Machine" Commodore that the owner had claimed was an Ex HDT Bathurst Winner. IIRC it was painted white and retained the body kit, and the correct manifold and carbs. Was registered in Vic!! Love to try and register that now!!

My older magazines are gone now so unfortunately I wont be looking for the mag it was in. I think the owner had a Mullet though!
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Old 16 Jan 2005, 10:08 (Ref:1202108)   #37
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I am truely confused and dismayed now, with this disintergration of info about the Museum #05.....

I remember from when i was 6 or 7, someone at the museum telling me it was the harvey car re-sprayed.....

And, to be honest, all the reccolections sound like they are bulletproof..... Maybe the next time one of us is in the principality of Panorama, we should get a VIN/Engine number, if possible?
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Old 16 Jan 2005, 10:09 (Ref:1202110)   #38
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I think your thinking of the battle they had in 1981 when the back wheel arch of Brock's car was dislodged by Bartlett's car early in the race.
81, Lap 3 or 4, the guard came off with a small touch with the Greens Tuff Falcon up Mountain Straight. Brock, inside, Johnson on the outside. The Commodore snaked sideways and they rubbed, from memory (I atched the DVD 4 minutes ago)
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I do remember reading about a "Street Machine" Commodore that the owner had claimed was an Ex HDT Bathurst Winner. IIRC it was painted white and retained the body kit, and the correct manifold and carbs. Was registered in Vic!! Love to try and register that now!![/I]


Possibly an article in Commodore Power, Autumn 1991. This car was later determined to be one of the "show cars" (5 apparently) and was recently sold (2003) to a Brock Commodore collector.

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Old 16 Jan 2005, 11:27 (Ref:1202143)   #40
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Might have even been before that, did have one photo of the car laying a HUGE burnout, and I think it was a VC, or at least had a VC grille.
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81, Lap 3 or 4, the guard came off with a small touch with the Greens Tuff Falcon up Mountain Straight. Brock, inside, Johnson on the outside. The Commodore snaked sideways and they rubbed, from memory (I atched the DVD 4 minutes ago)
I'm not sure what DVD you were watching

Brock and Bartlett came together on the approach to Griffins Bend. Johnson (In the Tru-Blu Falcon) was following in third ahead of Bob Morris who was a few seconds back.

#05 and #25 VKs - One would think it would be fairly easy to tell which one was which, or have the log books gone missing? Why was there big song and dance at Sandown in '03 about Brock being re-united with his Bathurst winner, Brock would know wouldn't he?

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Old 18 Jan 2005, 01:18 (Ref:1203437)   #42
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The HDT car records pretty much match up with the info that I have managed to gain over the last few years - then you count the numbers through from the Gp A spec cars thru to the last VL produced by Brock's mob in 1987.
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Old 18 Jan 2005, 04:26 (Ref:1203496)   #43
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Ahhh...so is the car in the Bathurst Museum the real deal or what ?
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I always thought that the Brock 05 VK from 1985( the one they kicked the screens out of) was then converted to the Harvey #3 car for 1986 and then became the # 6 VK in 1987, Due to Brock/Moffat 05 being writen off by Scott in 1987 # 6 VK was then updated to VL spec and campained the Sandown 500 with Crompton and Crooke due to the VL # 10 that later won Bathurst not being back from O/S.

Sandown 87 # 6 VK/VL then ended up in WA and came back to melbourne many years ago sporting a Pink and Black paint scheme and Walkinshaw body kit and is owned by the same person as the Rothmans VL and awaiting resto, i was led to believe that this was Chassis # 13.

I also remember that at the Jagparts auction in the early 90's that there was a VK shell sitting outside with a very bent front end did have the distinctive HDT roll cage design and as i can personally account for the whereabouts of the majority of the HDT customer Built cars and shells it would possibly make sence that it may have been the Brock/Moffat shell.
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...what became of the Grice/Harrington VK at the end of 1984?
Was looking through the 1985 Great Race book and it says that the Grice/Harrington VK from 1984 was converted to Group A specifications by Roadways and was then sold to Tony Kavich, who went on to use it in Yellow Pages colours in 1985, '86 and '87. I have a feeling this shell might have been used for Kavich's AUSCAR, because the VL he used in 1988 was brand new.
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