NZV8's 2011/12

[Mr Revhead]

Originally Posted by Jerico

I agree, that's what I also think what ST's are all about and not so much about the Ford Vs Holden, I also find that a bit of a bore, but some people live and breath it.
My point was that SC and ST are not so different in concept with their engines, but you have people saying that the ST concept is rubbish, with the cars using the same engine and they won't be supporting the series. But the same people will support SC because they have Ford and Holden engines, but in reality they don't.

So wrong it is not funny.

What maker wants to try and push a model, and use someone else's engine?
The V8SCs still use brand specific engines. Whilst changes have been made to them, they are still individual engines.
And will be even more individual under the COTF rules.

[Goat Boy]

Originally Posted by Mr Revhead

So wrong it is not funny.

What maker wants to try and push a model, and use someone else's engine?
The V8SCs still use brand specific engines. Whilst changes have been made to them, they are still individual engines.
And will be even more individual under the COTF rules.

Well both Ford and Holden are supporting the ST's so I guess that answers your question...

[Mr Revhead]

Where's the Ford support?

[Jerico]

Originally Posted by Mr Revhead

So wrong it is not funny.

What maker wants to try and push a model, and use someone else's engine?
The V8SCs still use brand specific engines. Whilst changes have been made to them, they are still individual engines.
And will be even more individual under the COTF rules.

OK so Chev has a third party build an engine for them to another manufactures specifications, which is not based on any currant or past Chev power plant, but it's still a Chev. Well to me it's in name only.

[promax]

LMAO who cares about the ST chevy class!

the new era of NZV8s has arrived

[Jerico]

Originally Posted by promax

LMAO who cares about the ST chevy class!

the new era of NZV8s has arrived

[Ugy]

Originally Posted by Goat Boy

Funny thing is, when I was at the ST's I was far more interested in which driver was coming where, rather than what brand. General or Henry just didn't really figure in the equation.

Sorry if that was the case with the Supercars.....no series,end of story. Just the same if Ford were using Chev engines,visa versa or both brands were using the same engine,they are pretty passionate over there.

[DX20VT]

Originally Posted by Ugy

Sorry if that was the case with the Supercars.....no series,end of story. Just the same if Ford were using Chev engines,visa versa or both brands were using the same engine,they are pretty passionate over there.

Maybe because over there is is Ford vs Holden,

where as in NZ it's all Australian vs Japanese vs eurotrash,

[Goat Boy]

Originally Posted by DX20VT

Maybe because over there is is Ford vs Holden,

where as in NZ it's all Australian vs Japanese vs eurotrash,

Agreed, there's never been the same passion about it over here as there is over there, and you have to say that these days the cars bear so little resemblance to what you buy in the showroom that a lot of fans are just following the drivers like Lowndes and Whincup. They've both changed brands (Lowndes twice) but fans still follow Team Vodafone. Except I don't, the turncoat traitors leaving Ford for Holden!!

[promax]

Originally Posted by Ugy

Sorry if that was the case with the Supercars.....no series,end of story. Just the same if Ford were using Chev engines,visa versa or both brands were using the same engine,they are pretty passionate over there.

why would you put a chev in a ford in this day and age? that's so 1970's

[RogerH]

I recollect reading somewhere that to qualify as a MSNZ Championship Series there had to be at least 15 entries at 75% of the Series events.

With the NZV8s, there were 16 entrants at Pukekohe, 10 at Ruapuna, 9 at Teretonga, 10 at Timaru, 15 at Manfield and 13 at Taupo.

[Goat Boy]

Originally Posted by RogerH

I recollect reading somewhere that to qualify as a MSNZ Championship Series there had to be at least 15 entries at 75% of the Series events.

With the NZV8s, there were 16 entrants at Pukekohe, 10 at Ruapuna, 9 at Teretonga, 10 at Timaru, 15 at Manfield and 13 at Taupo.

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[promax]

Originally Posted by RogerH

I recollect reading somewhere that to qualify as a MSNZ Championship Series there had to be at least 15 entries at 75% of the Series events.

With the NZV8s, there were 16 entrants at Pukekohe, 10 at Ruapuna, 9 at Teretonga, 10 at Timaru, 15 at Manfield and 13 at Taupo.

what classes had more than 15 entrants at every round this series?


i recollect reading somewhere you shouldn't take something that doesn't belong to you

[Goat Boy]

Originally Posted by promax

what classes had more than 15 entrants at every round this series?


i recollect reading somewhere you shouldn't take something that doesn't belong to you

What you talkin' 'bout, Willis?

[Goat Boy]

Originally Posted by promax

what classes had more than 15 entrants at every round this series?

TRS, F5000, none of the MNZ Tier 1 series...

[promax]

F5000? what round was that?

[Goat Boy]

Originally Posted by promax

F5000? what round was that?

I'm talking any round of motorsport not just Tier 1 - by your own admission Tier 1 has been well light this season, meaning Roger's point is even more valid! So if that's the state of Tier 1, yet other non-MNZ controlled series are doing well, what does that tell you?

Lot of ex-NZV8 guys racing Historics and the like these days, and they seem happy, too!

[flyingduck]

Have to say Mr Edgell had the bit between his teeth in the last race a great drive for the spin to win.

[promax]

Originally Posted by Goat Boy

I'm talking any round of motorsport not just Tier 1 - by your own admission Tier 1 has been well light this season, meaning Roger's point is even more valid! So if that's the state of Tier 1, yet other non-MNZ controlled series are doing well, what does that tell you?

Lot of ex-NZV8 guys racing Historics and the like these days, and they seem happy, too!

LMAO

Roger pointed out NZV8 numbers were low this season i was pointing out Suzuki and Utes weren't much better you were OT again

[promax]

Originally Posted by flyingduck

Have to say Mr Edgell had the bit between his teeth in the last race a great drive for the spin to win.

he seemed a wee bit angry in the post race interview

so will we see a shiny new Chesters NZV8 FG in the near future

[Pseudonym]

So who are the nine deposits from?

[RogerH]

Originally Posted by Pseudonym

So who are the nine deposits from?

The words used in the press release were "firm orders" which doesn't necessarily mean any money has changed hands.

I suppose the TMC guys are thinking this as progress with nine "firm orders" being a step up from the eight cars that ran every round in the 2011/12 NZV8 Series.

To answer your query - I don't really know but Mr Tulloch could be in there for two, with Short being another and McKenzie another. Not too sure about Edgell as the whisper was Chesters were looking at a ST??

[NZSTfan]

Interesting debate going on here. I must say i watched the racing yesterday and enjoyed it as best i can...Taupo is such a cool track. But it was a real shame that there was no mention at all of the new car, the media gig they did last week, and the announcement made late last week.

Whoever is running the 'marketing' side of things for BNT's/NZV8's or whatever you want to call it, needs to be shot. If you have a new product (that supposedly is going to re-shape touring car racing in this country by getting all these other manufacturers involved) you would promote the crap out of it, and if you had your hackles up, you would rub it in with the ST guys (especially seeing as a court case is impending....although that has gone quiet hasn't it?). So what i want to know is, why has there been absolutely nothing other than a press release last friday, about this new car and class. Its just rubbish marketing, and for me it either means they are keeping something up their sleeve, or they just havn't joined the dots together yet.....methinks its more of the latter.

And if it does go ahead, with the two poster boys for BNT (Fogg/Edgell) off to ST (well at least Fogg is anyway, but i think Tim won't be too far behind) then the field is going to be pretty weak, with the exception of their other poster boy, Bargwanna, if he sticks around.

So you end up with a all-kiwi made car (which is great), looking the part (which is also great), but with a field that no-one really give two hoots about (which is not so great).

Its a bit unprofessional this whole thing to be honest, and its not making Inky and his friends look any good.

[promax]

err uumm well they're consistent

not that that's a good thing in this case

[smokin'joe]

Originally Posted by NZSTfan

Interesting debate going on here. I must say i watched the racing yesterday and enjoyed it as best i can...Taupo is such a cool track. But it was a real shame that there was no mention at all of the new car, the media gig they did last week, and the announcement made late last week.

Whoever is running the 'marketing' side of things for BNT's/NZV8's or whatever you want to call it, needs to be shot. If you have a new product (that supposedly is going to re-shape touring car racing in this country by getting all these other manufacturers involved) you would promote the crap out of it, and if you had your hackles up, you would rub it in with the ST guys (especially seeing as a court case is impending....although that has gone quiet hasn't it?). So what i want to know is, why has there been absolutely nothing other than a press release last friday, about this new car and class. Its just rubbish marketing, and for me it either means they are keeping something up their sleeve, or they just havn't joined the dots together yet.....methinks its more of the latter.

do you really think think Shaun Summerfield would let them get a word in??? he has proven since the first hint of the NZST series, that he (and TV3) have taken sides, even though TV3 have been paid to show the existing series

Originally Posted by NZSTfan

Its a bit unprofessional this whole thing to be honest, and its not making Inky and his friends look any good.

and it only took you 2 years to realise it was unprofessional. ALL parties are as guilty as each other, don't lay all the blame on MSNZ/ TMC when the teams were stake holders in the whole debacle.