Button outscore's Trulli again!

Super Tourer · 14 Apr 2002, 16:37 (Ref:260188)

I know we've had plenty of debate on this one, but I couldn't resist opening up the can of worms again.

Despite starting one place ahead of Button, Trulli managed to finish 4 places behind him in the race.

Button finishes 5th to consolidate his 4th poistion in the table, Trulli has ...er....NO points (again!)

I know there are plenty of Trulli fans amongst the forum, ready to leap to his defence. But this result yet again backs up some of the posts in the previous Renault driver thread - i.e. Trulli, a great driver who just can't seem to deliver on the day.

I didn't see or hear of any car drama's for JT...so why didn't he finish ahead of Button this time.

Excuses please!

Sato san · 14 Apr 2002, 16:45 (Ref:260196)

Because Jenson is driving brilliantly at the moment. Well done Jense !!!! thats shut a few people up i do believe .

Speedworx · 14 Apr 2002, 16:49 (Ref:260201)

Thats cos Trulli can only driver well in quaqlifying. He is a craop race driver.

Reido Rules · 14 Apr 2002, 16:49 (Ref:260202)

2 fairly poor pit stops and then some traffic I think.

But Briatore will tell you again that Trulli is better.

Sato san · 14 Apr 2002, 16:56 (Ref:260207)

thats because he's his manager

OVERSTEER · 14 Apr 2002, 17:04 (Ref:260208)

Button is going to be at Renault next year, Trulli if he stays on next year and fails he'll be out on his ear for 2004 but I think it'll be Jenson Button and Fernando Alonso next year.

paulzinho · 14 Apr 2002, 17:10 (Ref:260210)

It was great to see Jenson outscoring Coulthard too, he's now fourth in the drivers standings!!!

Great to see him back on the road to success!!

Mr V · 14 Apr 2002, 17:18 (Ref:260220)

i recall thinking to myself how, after his 1st pit stop and coming out ahead of jarno, that he had just done to trulli exactly what rafe did to him (jens) in 2000, the experience is finally there, well done jenson..carry on and prove your doubters wrong!

LindaC · 14 Apr 2002, 18:44 (Ref:260272)

Isn't pitstop strategy down to the team?

Renault know exactly what was wrong with Trulli's car, which was why they said "BOTH drivers drove excellent races today."

Just because something isn't obviously wrong doesn't mean a driver doesn't have a mechanical problem. The team say it was high gearbox oil temperatures, and I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't something else as well.

Jarno's comment:" During the first five laps the car was working really well, but then I gradually started to lose performance, possibly because of the high gearbox temperatures. Once again I am disappointed but I finished the race which is still a reason to be pleased". For Jarno, it is too!

Incidentally, Briatore is not Jarno's manager in the normal sense. They have a business contract where Briatore gets a cut of Jarno's salary, so it doesn't matter where Jarno drives, Briatore still gets his money.

The Accomplice · 14 Apr 2002, 18:45 (Ref:260273)

Quote:

Originally posted by hakkiman
Thats cos Trulli can only driver well in quaqlifying. He is a craop race driver.

I totally agree and he will not be at Renault next year. He can't race.

Mr V · 14 Apr 2002, 20:30 (Ref:260330)

Quote:

Originally posted by LindaC
Isn't pitstop strategy down to the team?

what i meant linda, was that jenson was behind trulli when jarno pitted, but pushed enough to give himself a cushion ready for his own stop, this is what we saw rafe do to jenson in 2000!

Valve Bounce · 15 Apr 2002, 03:14 (Ref:260618)

I'm going to be positive here and focus on Jenson's great drive, possibly the drive of the day. Beating DC was the icing on the cake. It just goes to show that Jenson has more ability than we gave him credit for last year. Let's hope that Jenson will be with Renault for a long time, when Renault powers their way to the top in F1.

mac · 15 Apr 2002, 06:08 (Ref:260676)

Quote:

Originally posted by mr v
jenson was behind trulli when jarno pitted, but pushed enough to give himself a cushion ready for his own stop

Geez that ONE lap between their stops must have just about been the on target to beat pole, if it was his pace that got him ahead.

Button is driving extremely well at the moment, and the results are coming.

Trulli is also driving well. Remember, he was holding 2nd place in Melbourne, made up a heap of places at the start of Sepang, and was ahead of Jenson (in the points) in Brazil.

Trulli is a good race driver. And yes, Renault did give him 2 **** pitstops.

**Stephen Green** · 15 Apr 2002, 09:03 (Ref:260740)

I'm just gonna sit back with Mr V and watch all you guys (and gals) talk Button up after slating him off all last year. Gosh I'm feeling smug today

f1manoz · 15 Apr 2002, 09:22 (Ref:260758)

He got a slating last year because he drove worse than my grandmother and grandfather combined!

But credit where credit is due. He's pulled his socks up and is driving much better and is being rewarded with points finishes.

It's unfortunate, however, that Trulli has had all the bad luck so far, otherwise he wouldn't be receiving all the criticism.

Super Tourer · 15 Apr 2002, 09:42 (Ref:260775)

But Trulli is the new Jonny Herbert....whatever car you put him in, its guaranteed to breakdown, not make the start, have some bad luck or have some problem that 'effects' its performance.

He did at Jordan, now Renault.

Even the safety car would have retired if Herbert had been driving it, and Trulli is heading the same way.

The fact that he started ahead of Button yet finished 4 places behind him says it all to me, whether you put it down to bad luck, bad car, bad handling or simply not good enough - it still amounts to the same thing - no points on the board, which is all that counts.

Next year when Renault will be mounting a serious title challenge - what good is a driver who can't get to the finish or score points, when every single point is precious...Trulli needs to get his name on the score board and fast.

I've been a Button fan since FFord, he's always impressed me and generally always delivered. You don't forget how to drive overnight - he hasn't and 4th in WDC proves it.

**Stephen Green** · 15 Apr 2002, 09:57 (Ref:260786)

Manoz old chap, he didn't do that badly last year if you compare him with his team mate Fisi.

andrew_marsden · 15 Apr 2002, 13:12 (Ref:261052)

JB is a very good driver, IMO he's shaping up to be the next Damon Hill or Nigel Mansell

calais · 15 Apr 2002, 13:15 (Ref:261055)

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Originally posted by andrew_marsden
JB is a very good driver, IMO he's shaping up to be the next Damon Hill or Nigel Mansell

thats not a very good compliment

andrew_marsden · 15 Apr 2002, 13:19 (Ref:261060)

Quote:

Originally posted by calais
thats not a very good compliment

In case you didn't know Hill and Mansell where very good drivers, both won a least 1 World Championship and had a huge fanbase here in the UK

**Stephen Green** · 15 Apr 2002, 13:26 (Ref:261069)

Andrew, itwas a joke from Calais, hence the laughing faces after the comment. Welcome to the forums and have fun at ten-tenths.

Mr V · 15 Apr 2002, 14:05 (Ref:261138)

Quote:

Originally posted by Stephen Green
I'm just gonna sit back with Mr V and watch all you guys (and gals) talk Button up after slating him off all last year. Gosh I'm feeling smug today

stephen, i'm feeling rather smug about our jenson aswell, mind if i sit with you? i'm just gonna get the humble pie for everyone....will you supply the cream?

Super Tourer · 15 Apr 2002, 14:29 (Ref:261163)

I can do bowls & spoons !

**Stephen Green** · 15 Apr 2002, 17:30 (Ref:261300)

Thanks ST. Now would that be single or double cream Mr V?

Sato san · 15 Apr 2002, 17:34 (Ref:261304)

I would think that Mr V would be in need of a Wriggler to go with the humble pie . Shall i supply tinnys then ,as i've got a case of fosters here , maybe Stephen fancys one too .

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