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22 Nov 2005, 16:01 (Ref:1467562)
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A bad way to win a championship
So who is going to be the first person to get this right.
How many times has a championship been won by a driver having a bad race (Finishing out of the points, not finishing or not starting for some reason) and who were they. I got asked this the other day found it quite interesting |
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22 Nov 2005, 16:12 (Ref:1467573)
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The championship is won over the course of a season, not at one race, in my opinion.
If I clinch the championship at a race where I DNF, that's not bad, because I must have been excellent in the preceeding races. |
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22 Nov 2005, 16:23 (Ref:1467583)
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22 Nov 2005, 17:03 (Ref:1467609)
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Michael came eighth to clinch it a two years ago. He also DNF to win it in '94 (yawn). Senna DNF in '90 and Prost in '89 in the race they clinched it. Other guesses Piquet '87? The rest would take some research.
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22 Nov 2005, 17:11 (Ref:1467623)
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It's usual to happen in all categories. In some cases, even in football, the team that loses is crowned champion. Like K-B said, it only shows how good he had been through the season.
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22 Nov 2005, 17:18 (Ref:1467633)
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Last edited by ASCII Man; 22 Nov 2005 at 17:19. Reason: Bad logic.. |
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22 Nov 2005, 17:28 (Ref:1467641)
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When Mansell collided at Suzuka 87 Piquet effectively won the title without having to race, but he did, so that wouldn't be a case of having a bad race.
2005: Alonso 3rd 2004: Schumacher 2nd 2003: Schumacher 8th 2002: Schumacher win 2001: Schumacher win 2000: Schumacher win 1999: Häkkinen win 1998: Häkkinen win 1997: Villeneuve 3rd 1996: Hill win 1995: Schumacher win 1994: Schumacher DNF 1993: Prost 2nd 1992: Mansell 2nd 1991: Senna 2nd 1990: Senna DNF 1989: Prost DNF 1988: Senna win That's all I can remember off the top of my head... |
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22 Nov 2005, 18:40 (Ref:1467707)
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That was about as far back as I got, the only other one I could think of was the 1970 season that ended in the tragedy of Rindt never knowing that he was champion having been killed in a previous race.
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22 Nov 2005, 18:53 (Ref:1467714)
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Rindt's championship victory is the only tragic one really, in all the other cases the driver/team packages deserved the title from their efforts over the season. Besides, what you might think of as a 'bad race' is often simply a race in which what's needed for the title is done with as little hassle as possible. Of course 89/90/94 are something else entirely - that would be my definition of a bad way to clinch a title.
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22 Nov 2005, 18:59 (Ref:1467722)
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Schui in 2003 got it with an 8th yet he wasn't on the podium, yet in 2002 when Minardi scored points they were allowed on the podium!
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22 Nov 2005, 19:03 (Ref:1467727)
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Not for the official podium ceremony though.
Webber and Stoddard climbed up once the deserving podium occupants had gone |
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22 Nov 2005, 22:13 (Ref:1467887)
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Another case of a tragic deciding race is probably the Italian GP of 1961, in which Wolfgang von Trips and 13 (not sure of the number) spectators were killed after contact with Jim Clark. Phil Hill won that title. Also Mario's title in 1978, where Peterson was involved in the huge startline shunt... did Mario win the title in that race? If so, both the F1 titles that Americans have won have been overshadowed...
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22 Nov 2005, 22:19 (Ref:1467891)
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22 Nov 2005, 23:18 (Ref:1467919)
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You seem to be complaining against a regimented procedure by suggesting that we have a regulation that all such situations allow them to be on the podium.
 They are unusual situations they should be different each time. Go with whatever happens at the time. |
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22 Nov 2005, 23:38 (Ref:1467928)
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What confused me about 2003 with regards not seeing michael on the podium is that there was a perfectly logical solution without fiddling with anything:
Send Michael up to receive the Constructor's trophy. |
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22 Nov 2005, 23:43 (Ref:1467931)
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er, hmmm, and deny another team member of that? Just let the situation flow at the time. If they had done that it would have ben spontaneous and OK. However this is a case of where hindsight falls down as consideration destroys the moment.
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23 Nov 2005, 00:38 (Ref:1467961)
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I wasn't saying that that should be made a rule.
What I meant was that would have been a solution had that been wanted by the team, but they just hadn't thought of that as a solution. I don't agree that it should be mandated in anyway who a team selects to reveive their constructor trophy. Well, perhaps an insistence it is a member of the team. |
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23 Nov 2005, 02:39 (Ref:1467998)
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Since when have we had a podium ceromony for a champion? Usually it's presented at the end of year awards function and maybe an extra seat for the post race interviews (ot - but I loved how Berger was getting ready to throttle MS at the Adelaide 94 post race interview until MS dedicated the championship to Senna saying it should have been Aryton's year...)
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23 Nov 2005, 07:44 (Ref:1468074)
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The champion hasn't been during the time I have watched F1 (unless he has finished in top 3)
Schumacher was in the press conference in 1994 with top three and in 2003 he was interviewed soon after Barrichello, Räikkönen and Coulthard had left the press room. |
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23 Nov 2005, 09:24 (Ref:1468115)
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The tragic example of this is 1970 and Rindt. He was looking down on the world of GP racing when he won the championship.
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23 Nov 2005, 10:09 (Ref:1468159)
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Jackie Stewart in 1973 (?) Didn't start due to Cevert's fatal crash.
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23 Nov 2005, 10:20 (Ref:1468166)
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Hadn't he already clinched the title?
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23 Nov 2005, 10:39 (Ref:1468182)
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Yes but he still won it without finishing the final race.
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23 Nov 2005, 12:45 (Ref:1468276)
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But he started the race at which he clinched the title.
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23 Nov 2005, 13:04 (Ref:1468300)
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If I remember correctly, Stewart clinched his '73 title by finishing fourth at Monza. Not a great result, but he considers it his greatest drive as he had to fight his way back (after a puncture I believe) on a circuit which was reasonably easy (and, therefore, harder to make up time on other drivers).
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One that sticks in my mind was the last race of the '83 season when Piquet took the championship. He was in the lead of the race, but once he knew the title was won, he just backed off and came third. OK, I know you want to make sure of finishing, but I've always been more of a fan of drivers who go out to win races, rather than championships (the former should, of course, lead to the latter!) |
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