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Old 15 Mar 2008, 14:09 (Ref:2152491)   #76
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asa you forgot to mention the all irregularities. kato had a puncture and parked the car on the middle of the track to win the race and the race director had no balls to disqualify him cause he is sponsor by frd and zhuhai circuit. in end of the day all cars gonna to dyno test but kato missed it. why? he is using a special engine. i am not admired to see everybody going to afos.
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Old 16 Mar 2008, 08:07 (Ref:2153353)   #77
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Geoffrey Kwong of Pekka Saarinen Racing has won today's race, with teammate Cao Hong-Wei in second place and Thomas Santin of ART in third.
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Old 17 Mar 2008, 06:34 (Ref:2154389)   #78
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asa, do you tell the people about kato ( FRD TEAM) story. renault sport found 15hp more in his engine but as he is frd car the oficials didnt ban his car. to compensate the other injured teams he started from the back of the grid. same problem for team champ cars. they had 10 hp over the limit.

frd formula renault championship dead was yesterday.
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Old 17 Mar 2008, 06:57 (Ref:2154402)   #79
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Who is doing the engines in China? Oreca?

Engines must be sealed no?
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Old 17 Mar 2008, 07:34 (Ref:2154414)   #80
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If Asian Formula Renault is dead then it is all Kenneth Ma's own doing. He has been asking for it all this time.
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Old 17 Mar 2008, 08:06 (Ref:2154433)   #81
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renault sport found 15hp more in his engine but as he is frd car the oficials didnt ban his car.
And how did they found out that if he didn't go to dyno test as you told as previously?
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Old 17 Mar 2008, 08:15 (Ref:2154436)   #82
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Who is doing the engines in China? Oreca?

Engines must be sealed no?
This is what their rules state:

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ARTICLE 5 - ENGINE
Any engine not sealed by the Scrutineers, or for which one or more seals are missing or of an unknown origin, shall be considered technically noncompliant.

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5.2 Purchase and Maintenance of the RENAULT SPORT F4R engine
New engines must be supplied by Oreca Magny-Cours (the official single engine-builder) through Formula Racing Development. These engines are sealed when delivered, and must be inspected by the FRD technical representative/scrutineers before being used in the 2008 AFR Championship. You must also show proof (invoice) of your purchase to FRD before getting the motor inspected.

Engine rebuilds may be performed by Oreca in Magny-Cours through FRD, or by an FRD appointed technician. If the engine is rebuilt by Oreca Magny-Cours, you must show proof of service, and get the engine inspected by the FRD technical representative/scrutineers before being used in the 2008 AFR Championship.
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Old 17 Mar 2008, 08:58 (Ref:2154468)   #83
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Imagine if McLaren was allowed to be the scrutineer for every team in F1...
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Old 17 Mar 2008, 09:45 (Ref:2154500)   #84
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asa, do you tell the people about kato ( FRD TEAM) story. renault sport found 15hp more in his engine but as he is frd car the oficials didnt ban his car. to compensate the other injured teams he started from the back of the grid. same problem for team champ cars. they had 10 hp over the limit.

frd formula renault championship dead was yesterday.

So what is the "limit" for an Engine ?

I do not know how is theirs Dyno , but it does not mean only Engine... could be mechanical improvment ...
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Old 17 Mar 2008, 13:57 (Ref:2154689)   #85
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This sounds a lot like Asian F3... Asian racing seems to be full of politics and controversy.
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Old 17 Mar 2008, 15:01 (Ref:2154732)   #86
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Kato's car has checked on Dynometer on Sunday that's why it's has found his engine was illegal,but not sure whether he has penlized to back because I saw him on pole position before warm up lap start.Champ has demoted to back when they come out from pitlane,I saw their stuff signing Bulletin from FRD.

Referring to Chaos in Asian FR I don't think team moves to AFOS squad just because of unfair sectuneering of FRD (only) because of AFOS' partner in their FR2.0 is Mach3(who organize CFO) and they involved in biggest 'remour' of last year when they co-operate with FRD(Markus Niemela's car was protested for illegal modification).I have chatted with an administrative officer from one of non-FRD team,and told me that there are some strange and unfair administration threatment(i.e. deposit) from FRD.Moreover last year poor logistic management has force them cancelled A1 support race in Zhuhai makes serval team suffer loss(they can't transport cars from Shanghai in 3 weeks ,and don't forget A1 has raced in sepang in same day!),it should make all teams feel enough to FRD.
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Old 18 Mar 2008, 02:58 (Ref:2155294)   #87
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many kids feel tempted to cheat once in a while, but it's not worth it but frd went too far in cheating! it’s a hole in the moral racingzone layer! engine of kato had 15 hp more than the rest and he was not penalized. he started from last becuae he stall the car in purpose in the formation lap. he knew if he would won again the other teams would demand an engine opening. scandal!


seem renault sport lost the controll of the asia series for a private company. teams are not going to follow frd anymore. afos is the future. cfo doesnt organize the series. it's afos who will do that. if m3 cheats as frd they will be banned. afos is not frd.
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Old 18 Mar 2008, 03:10 (Ref:2155296)   #88
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but still no news from AFOS about this new championship...
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Old 18 Mar 2008, 08:10 (Ref:2155356)   #89
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AFOS will probably only announce it when they have secured enough entries for the series to go ahead 100%. That's how they do things normally.

They will not announce it if there is even a tiny chance of it not happening.
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Old 18 Mar 2008, 11:44 (Ref:2155525)   #90
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Funny comment on the ART press release from Last week end race

"In the end of the weekend ART Motorsports got two podiums, a fastest lap, and two victories in “IFC Trophy”, all with legal cars"
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Old 19 Mar 2008, 06:55 (Ref:2156256)   #91
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meta:i heard that asia racing team pushed renult sport to do the dyno testing to evrybody as they were the only team runing with new engines from renault sport. in spite of all the recent race cheating scandals how can renault sport keep suporting a championship of frd?


asa:you know how many cars afos has for the new frenault championship?
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Old 24 Mar 2008, 06:42 (Ref:2160081)   #92
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Second event of AFR championship will race with AFOS' FR 2.0 Asia in the same field in Shanghai because of crowded events(like CCC,West formula and AGT/Supercar)....very weird weekend because we have AGT/Supercar also going to race in same grid,which they have spilted this year.It makes everybody in confuse condition.
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Old 25 Mar 2008, 03:22 (Ref:2160822)   #93
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the new frenault championship was not announce. may afos gave up
teams will have to run in frd series and looks stronger http://www.frdsports.com/en/press/co...08_03_16_1.htm
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Old 25 Mar 2008, 04:13 (Ref:2160827)   #94
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a news that mention the opposite...


http://www.art-motorsports.com/news/team/news.htm
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Old 25 Mar 2008, 06:03 (Ref:2160840)   #95
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ups, new light coming in

meta4&monkey: why afos dont anounce the series?
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Old 25 Mar 2008, 06:27 (Ref:2160852)   #96
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got no idea why ... maybe they are finalizing the racing schedule or maybe the problems comes from BMW who maybe do not want to have the same peoples organizing FBMW Pacific and Asian Formula Renault.... just a guess
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Old 26 Mar 2008, 11:30 (Ref:2161961)   #97
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next venue on Shanghai now is in very confused condition for both FRD and AFOS' series.serval days ago CCC has issued timetable which is only west formula are coming from CFO,afterward CFO has posted contest letter for it,as they claims they confirmed the date earlier and they accpet CCC running together,however CCC has threat CFO's series as supporting races...finally FASC has confirmed both CCC and CFO can be running on same weekend,same venue,but their partner series has to arrange...

now we have these championship on waiting list as follow:

champion - organizer/promoter (organization they partner with that weekend)
AFR - FRD (CCC)
AGT - FRD (CCC)
ASCC - Supercarclub HK (CFO)
CCC 1600cc
CCC 2000cc
FBMW - AFOS (CFO)
FR 2.0 - Asia AFOS/CFO (CFO)
PCCA - AFOS (CFO)
West Formula - CFO

except CCC and West Formula in safe I think all series on above cannot be confirmed.There must be some series won't be in there as racing 9 series within 2-3 days is impossible....unless AFR/FR2.0 Asia and AGT/ASCC racing together,but also imposssible things.
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What is "West Formula"
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What is "West Formula"
http://www.chinaformulaopen.com/english/west_1.php
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looks great...
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