"Insider 2" - Page 2

Rennen · 15 Dec 2002, 02:33 (Ref:450140)

Realitive term...I take your point and apologise to all concerned.

**Stephen Green** · 16 Dec 2002, 08:13 (Ref:450892)

Phew! Glad to see we are back on an even keel

Sato san · 16 Dec 2002, 11:54 (Ref:451020)

Quote:

Originally posted by Rennen
I've produced a 3 and a half minute VHS Video (pal system) clip of Anthony's racing from junior karts to F1...it will be available on thru his website soon...seeing is believing...in terms of race action and ability.

Rennen , put me down for one of those , id like to see that for sure...........also, ive got the Andrew Kitson Festival signed print from you and it looks fantastic !

cheers

**Stephen Green** · 16 Dec 2002, 12:04 (Ref:451027)

Another satisfied customer!

Sato san · 16 Dec 2002, 12:20 (Ref:451044)

Andrew does produce such lovely paintings.....i wanted the Print anyway , as it captures all the festival years .......have you got that one Stephen ?

**Stephen Green** · 16 Dec 2002, 12:22 (Ref:451049)

Afraid not Jay. I don't have many motor racing paintings or prints, just a couple of pics of me marshalling.

Speed · 16 Dec 2002, 14:22 (Ref:451159)

Quote:

Originally posted by neilap
The only people I ever "attack" are [...... edited by Speed] and RS and I usually back it up with reasons why.

fousto · 17 Dec 2002, 04:43 (Ref:451577)

Well lets hear it Rennen - Did Ant have the new 2003 Honda motor for his last stint????

Valve Bounce · 17 Dec 2002, 06:13 (Ref:451596)

I think you'd better ask jellybabe, who is more forthcoming with technical data. Rennen seems to be restrained from spilling the beans.

**Stephen Green** · 17 Dec 2002, 08:43 (Ref:451667)

You would hardly expect Rennen to give the BAR game away would you? The last thing he or any parent would wish to do is ruin their son/daughter's career.

Wrex · 17 Dec 2002, 08:57 (Ref:451677)

I agree Stephen, I think Rennen is being as forthcoming as he can be. You know what they so though, give them an inch.......

Sato san · 17 Dec 2002, 09:49 (Ref:451693)

exactly......i think its good of Rennen to to say as much as he does ...

Stephen , we will have to talk Andrew Kitson into putting you in full marshalling mode in his next painting that he does of Brands Hatch ....and he could even put you in your trademark red shoes ....what do you think ?

**Stephen Green** · 17 Dec 2002, 10:16 (Ref:451699)

Good idea...

Valve Bounce · 17 Dec 2002, 11:38 (Ref:451733)

Quote:

Originally posted by Stephen Green
You would hardly expect Rennen to give the BAR game away would you? The last thing he or any parent would wish to do is ruin their son/daughter's career.

That's exactly what I meant. That's why I said ask jellybabe, who has told us she is privy to what Rennen knows. Jellybabe can tell us without compromising Ant.

**Stephen Green** · 17 Dec 2002, 12:07 (Ref:451771)

Didn't get the connection Valve...sorry mate.

neilap · 17 Dec 2002, 16:31 (Ref:451903)

Quote:

Originally posted by fousto
Well lets hear it Rennen - Did Ant have the new 2003 Honda motor for his last stint????

From what I have read they were working on the new motor. This is a quote from him after his testing.

Ant finished a tyre testing programme in the morning before switching to a car fitted with the new Honda engine, using its extra power to set his best time. He completed 78 laps, ending his testing year with a best time of 1:21.1s.

"The tyre test was quite fun in the morning, but then the engine software programme was more monotonous," he said. "But the new engine is so much different in power."

Mackmot · 18 Dec 2002, 00:22 (Ref:452256)

Rennen I think you will find that a lot of drvers, dads and team personnel check out this site to discuss championships with fans. It is a great way to keep all fans of motorsport in touch.

What you have to be careful of is not giving of a bad image in front of people who one day you may need.

Jellybabe · 21 Dec 2002, 11:55 (Ref:454818)

Quote:

Originally posted by Sato san
Andrew does produce such lovely paintings.....i wanted the Print anyway , as it captures all the festival years .......

Can you scan it so we can see it?

Jellybabe · 21 Dec 2002, 11:59 (Ref:454820)

Quote:

Originally posted by Valve Bounce
I think you'd better ask jellybabe, who is more forthcoming with technical data. Rennen seems to be restrained from spilling the beans.

Yes, Ant did get to run with the new engine on the last day, but they weren't running with full revs yet, obviously, as they didn't want to blow it up straight away!

Valve Bounce · 21 Dec 2002, 12:21 (Ref:454836)

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhh!!!
You don't have much faith in the Honda donk!!!!

Jellybabe · 21 Dec 2002, 12:45 (Ref:454847)

Just commenting that it's standard practice for every engine manufacturer to not run their engines at full revs for the first few times out.

neilap · 21 Dec 2002, 17:06 (Ref:454954)

Imagine this motor is still being tuned yet it set the fastest time for the BAR in the old chassis. Honda may have done their homework this time.

Glen · 21 Dec 2002, 17:37 (Ref:454961)

BAR are setting quick times, Jaques has stated that he thinks they'll be battling with Wiliams and McLaren... yea, right. Renault hav got half a chance of upsetting the top three, BAR have got virtually no chance, in my opinion. At the very top level it takes a hell of a lot more than Honda (or whatever engine manufacturer) getting their act together, or Willis coming up with a new aero package, or any other single element... nobody can compete without rock solid management of the entire package from top to bottom. BAR are still all at sea as far as I can judge - they will never make it to the top with ther current structure - they don't have the discipline.

Jellybabe · 21 Dec 2002, 17:51 (Ref:454971)

Quote:

Originally posted by Glen
At the very top level it takes a hell of a lot more than Honda (or whatever engine manufacturer) getting their act together, or Willis coming up with a new aero package, or any other single element...

The Williams Supertec/Mecachromes were really slow - they were third in 1998 and fifth in 1999. When BMW came on board and gave them a much better engine they finished third twice then second this year.

Glen · 21 Dec 2002, 18:03 (Ref:454977)

Quote:

Originally posted by Jellybabe
The Williams Supertec/Mecachromes were really slow - they were third in 1998 and fifth in 1999. When BMW came on board and gave them a much better engine they finished third twice then second this year.

Williams were a top flight team with a poor engine at that time - the BMW came along and filled in the missing piece of the puzzle. Same deal with McLaren this year - the Mercedes was a little lacking, and they spent many months getting to know the Michelin tyres... but they didn't , and never will, stop being a class team with rock solid managment and infrastructure.

If a decent engine were an open door to good results Toyota would have blown the mid-field apart in 2002 - they were often quickest through the speed traps.

BAR need proper integrity all the way down their organisation - taking on Willis was a good move, as was getting exclusive use of the Hondas... so they may well be on their way. But. - this should have happened right from the beginning. It will take them at least three years to upset Williams and McLaren in the slightest - and by that time Toyota may well have beaten them to it, and Renault definately will have.

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