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More on the background to the V6TT decision in AA here.
I'd originally guessed that it COULD be an indicator of Supercars moving away from multi-engines and sticking with NA V8s but all articles since show that was a poor guess. This one purely a GM decision by the sound of it. |
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Have you looked into the turbo version of the Cadillac ATS-V (not that it is relevant to the Australian market)? It still seems like a lot of fun even compared to the older V8 version of the Cadillac ATS-V. Sounds really good too for a V6 twin turbo.
However yanks still seem to prefer their V8 Ford F150s over their V6 ecoboost F150s, and it doesn't seem like Ford will be changing the Mustang GT to a V6 Ecoboost anytime soon (nor Chevy with the Camaro SS for that matter). |
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7 Apr 2018, 00:31 (Ref:3813437) | #28 | ||
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Nothing wrong with adding a turbo or two to your SS.
Having been for a ride in a twin turbo VE SS that put out somewhere in the region of 800hp, I have to say that to own something like that is certainly on the bucket list now. Good times. |
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Means only one thing.
You have to ask yourself why would you spend heaps on development if you dont have anyone to race against. Supercars has a limited future |
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I think that is a bit harsh, it will eventually evolve and I think this latest news is them stepping back, taking a deep breath and looking at what may be feasible. Certainly the problem of engine parity is just about impossible if different configurations such as a turbo/atmo 6/4/8 cylinder mix was to be introduced and they would have to move away from that ideal and accept what it means. Class capacity racing seems to be dead now at a professional level so that is out the window also. The choices are very narrow when it is thought about, 2 litre turbo is the generic European approach and not much after that.
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7 Apr 2018, 07:49 (Ref:3813492) | #31 | |
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Judging by the results in Tassie, why would they need to change the formula, the new all carbon fibre "Commodore" is wiping all before it. The rest of the brands can only hope for a top ten finish.
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7 Apr 2018, 07:54 (Ref:3813495) | #32 | |
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There ZB is the only car with carbon panels? Anyway to nitpick, its bonnet is aluminium.
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Which is why the Falcons & Nissans were permitted to go to composite bonnets from the Grand Prix onwards. In fact they were permitted to do so last year when ZB was being specified but the Falcon / Nissan teams declined it at the time.
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They would rather rush them out in 2 weeks between the Adelaide 500 and Grand Prix, that makes perfect sense! It seems more likely they were not told the Commodore would use these lightweight parts and have a such a large advantage of carrying more ballast. |
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It was reported in the media that the ZB was being homoloated with composite panels last year.
We've been over this already! |
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Example of statement about other teams declining the opportunity last year here. The "large advantage" as you call it doesn't seem to have changed much now that the other brands have similar panels / ballast benefits - maybe it was all a bit of a storm in a teacup? |
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9 Apr 2018, 21:56 (Ref:3814540) | #42 | |
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The teams on behalf of the manufacturers can apply for concessions based.on reasons. Some teams are better at it than others.
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Writing on the wall for the V8s aspect of Supercars? Talks of Electrification and Hybridisation in the future.
Supercars Commissioner: Move away from V8s inevitable |
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I think we're still a ways off before EV race cars become the norm.
Sure, we have Formua E, and eTCR is in the works, but they haven't replaced anything, and probably won't for a whle yet. |
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Without manufacturer support there won't be any kind of hybrid tech being introduced due to the development costs and we've already seen how tight Holden has been with financially supporting the V6 turbo which is quite basic, and cheap in comparison.
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They were only ever going to see it through, if all Holden teams embraced it.
Otherwise it wouldn't be worth their time. |
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I guess I was right, this is a stop gap decision so the category can take a breath and make some decisions. Super Cars has sort of run itself into a cul de sac not of its own making but a dead end none the less. The domestic manufacturing industry no longer exists, the manic insistence on parity and the world wide change to electric power including every European manufacturer joining Formula E which tells you exactly how they are thinking and where they are going. Maybe the only way forward is a bespoke engine, if they want engine parity there really is no other choice but the economics don't add up because of the economic size of the category, there simply is not enough money involved TBH.
On the other hand an all electric future might be cheaper if approached the right way. The entire drive train would get the sand shoe out the door, two electric motors at the wheels and a battery pack would be a more simple and a less maintenance intensive scenario, no gearboxes, diffs, engines etc to keep pouring money into as electric motors don't need all the crap that goes with a conventional driveline and shells would be much easier to construct as a standard battery pack would be used. The category management would supply all battery packs for the race meeting along with charging facilities etc. The big drawback to all electric is us, the fans like noise and electric cars don't make much of that. I will bet money that an all electric car would be cheaper to race than a conventional IC car once all the infrastructure is in place. Whether it would be successful as a spectator category is doubtful at the moment but the time will come when racing is either a fall back reminiscent type of past time with old fashioned IC motors or motor sport gets with the program and goes full electric because all manufacturers are now moving forward with electric cars with the US as the stand out exception. It is not going to be a case of what you want to drive but what the manufacturers offer form the mid twenties onward, that much is clear. |
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Wouldn't be surprised if they look into a category wide generic hybrid engine solution. You can buy off the shelf hybrid systems from the likes of Zytek which can be easily mated to an existing engine. Still, I don't see the benefit really as it will cause backlash from the public and still won't entice manufacturers to join.
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