2011 calendar - Page 2

dxk1 · 9 Aug 2010, 12:17 (Ref:2741859)

They need to can plans for Sears Point. You've got to keep Road America and make it a 500 miler (or 4 hours, whichever comes first) as in the past. This is a great circuit. Also, don't ever leave Mosport, another great circuit.

DK

Subaru_WRX_STi · 9 Aug 2010, 13:01 (Ref:2741880)

are 3 Canadian rounds a lot for the ALMS ?

Jonerz · 9 Aug 2010, 13:27 (Ref:2741893)

Canada isn't saturated with motorsports the way the United States is. Plus the population of Canada is spread out comparatively thinly along the vast expanses of Canada's landmass. So I think western racing fans would jump at the opportunity to go to an ALMS race without having to travel to Mosport or Utah or wherever is closest to them.

Chris

NaBUru38 · 9 Aug 2010, 13:40 (Ref:2741899)

Helping ALMS (by allowing them to race at Watinks Glen) would hurt Grand-Am, dj4monie. Unless both talk to coexist, those things won't happen.

Longer races will hurt television coverage, but that's what Le Mans is about: endurance racing. I agree that the Road America race should go back to 500 miles on Saturday, then IndyCar on Sunday. But I'm not sure if such a long calendar can have so many endurance races.

JHamilton · 9 Aug 2010, 17:11 (Ref:2742039)

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Originally Posted by NaBUru38

Losing Road America would be an immense tragedy. But Mid-Ohio doesn't really suit LMPs, it's too tight and narrow for them. How about an IndyCar / ALMS Grand Prix of Cleveland for 2012?

The Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course doesn't suit sportscars, eh? I just came back from there and that's not true at all. Plus, Mid-Ohio draws, RA does not making the real tragedy for the series losing Mid-Ohio.

dj4monie · 9 Aug 2010, 20:58 (Ref:2742136)

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Originally Posted by NaBUru38

Helping ALMS (by allowing them to race at Watinks Glen) would hurt Grand-Am, dj4monie. Unless both talk to coexist, those things won't happen.

Longer races will hurt television coverage, but that's what Le Mans is about: endurance racing. I agree that the Road America race should go back to 500 miles on Saturday, then IndyCar on Sunday. But I'm not sure if such a long calendar can have so many endurance races.

Why would it hurt GA? That makes no sense, if GA was a better series there wouldn't be constantly empty seats no matter where the series goes.

When GA had bigger DP grids they went to Long Beach I believe twice. After those two events, the promoters kicked them to the curb. They have signed the ALMS into a deal that benefits Long Beach GP long term, the ALMS is required to show up. The ALMS might not quite fill the stands but I have been there since 2007 and its been a very good crowd.

So if ALMS doesn't end up in Watkins Glen to replace the Indy Car race its strictly politics and fan should call the ISC on that.

If fans really want the ALMS at Watkins Glen, then why not start an email campaign?

It has an open date, its not a Club Track, its classic historic circuit in America and it would draw.

Longer races don't hurt TV, that's again saying that fans have short attention span. Longer Races only hurt TV coverage because its expensive to BUY coverage, I have to keep saying it. The ALMS owns its rights and buys its TV Coverage.

Some of you seem to be happy with having it both ways which is rare these days. You can watch it streamed and then I can here all the excuses people have for not liking it streamed. You have the Docu-Drama which some of you claim you like, that's fine, I rather not watch it. I don't support this form of series promotion and that's my choice. But I understand the economics of both, so what's to prevent the ALMS from doing the same thing with a longer race anywhere?

Nothing.

dj4monie · 9 Aug 2010, 21:11 (Ref:2742142)

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Originally Posted by Subaru_WRX_STi

are 3 Canadian rounds a lot for the ALMS ?

No but locations are.

Where would you have the additional two Canadian races?

Circuit Gilles-Villeneuve is limited by how many races it can have. Currently it host F1 and the GA/CASCAR/Nationwide weekend. Is there room for another race?

Exhibition Place is viable, but then we would get complains of Street Circuits again by the natural road course purist.

Edmonton Airport is viable and very possible.

Detroit is across the bay to Windsor, ON

ALMS has been to Trois-Rivieres before. I miss that track, its a fun street course.

Zurbert82 · 9 Aug 2010, 21:18 (Ref:2742145)

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Originally Posted by JHamilton

The Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course doesn't suit sportscars, eh? I just came back from there and that's not true at all. Plus, Mid-Ohio draws, RA does not making the real tragedy for the series losing Mid-Ohio.

Yeah I didn't understand that opinion either. Champcar/CART raced there for years in cars significantly faster than LMP's. The racing surface is also plenty wide enough for multi class racing...

Matt · 9 Aug 2010, 21:20 (Ref:2742146)

As I said in another thread. Put Lime Rock in late September or early October. You'll never want them to leave the track.

dj4monie · 9 Aug 2010, 21:28 (Ref:2742155)

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Originally Posted by Matt

As I said in another thread. Put Lime Rock in late September or early October. You'll never want them to leave the track.

To be fair when the Camel GT series had large fields, they split up the GT cars and the LMP's.

ACO regulations don't allow for that, maybe its something IMSA should consider.

HORNDAWG · 9 Aug 2010, 21:57 (Ref:2742170)

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Originally Posted by dj4monie

To be fair when the Camel GT series had large fields, they split up the GT cars and the LMP's.

ACO regulations don't allow for that, maybe its something IMSA should consider.

No it's not!

L.P.

Speed-King · 9 Aug 2010, 22:12 (Ref:2742181)

Yes, it is.

HORNDAWG · 9 Aug 2010, 22:17 (Ref:2742183)

L.P.

Subaru_WRX_STi · 9 Aug 2010, 22:19 (Ref:2742184)

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Originally Posted by dj4monie

No but locations are.

Where would you have the additional two Canadian races?

in my own calendar I put (the previous page)
Mosport
Edmonton - with IRL
Mont Tremblant

picchiofan · 9 Aug 2010, 22:25 (Ref:2742187)

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Originally Posted by dj4monie

When GA had bigger DP grids they went to Long Beach I believe twice. After those two events, the promoters kicked them to the curb. They have signed the ALMS into a deal that benefits Long Beach GP long term, the ALMS is required to show up. The ALMS might not quite fill the stands but I have been there since 2007 and its been a very good crowd.

GA ran one DP only race at long beach. That off season, ISC supported Tony George in a possible buyout of Cart/champcar/whatevertheFit was called and Kalkoven got ****y, kicking GA out. ALMS was basically the second choice.

Speed-King · 9 Aug 2010, 22:30 (Ref:2742192)

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Originally Posted by picchiofan

GA ran one DP only race at long beach. That off season, ISC supported Tony George in a possible buyout of Cart/champcar/whatevertheFit was called and Kalkoven got ****y, kicking GA out.

Wasn't that whole Phoenix Champcar race fracas at about the same time as well? I think ISC had a hand in that one, too.

picchiofan · 9 Aug 2010, 22:38 (Ref:2742195)

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Originally Posted by Speed-King

Wasn't that whole Phoenix Champcar race fracas at about the same time as well? I think ISC had a hand in that one, too.

Yea, Phoenix street race and such.

cptkablamo · 9 Aug 2010, 23:49 (Ref:2742211)

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Originally Posted by Birddog07

Obviously a huge dream, but if the series can generate enough interest from manufactuers (GT2 teams, LMP2 engines, GTC/3 customer cars) then the growth could happen and the series return to it's year 2000 glory..

And return to Australia - that would be glorious!

Subaru_WRX_STi · 10 Aug 2010, 00:15 (Ref:2742216)

Crocodile R8

dj4monie · 10 Aug 2010, 01:14 (Ref:2742238)

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Originally Posted by cptkablamo

And return to Australia - that would be glorious!

If the brain-trust inside Indy Car didn't have their heads up their collective butts, they would have stayed at Surfer's Paradise. Who knows if the ALMS would do another fly away.

Grand Am is not liked in California period.

Didn't work at California Speedway, didn't work at Sears Point, didn't work at Laguna Seca and didn't work at Long Beach - Holla

picchiofan · 10 Aug 2010, 15:49 (Ref:2742521)

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Originally Posted by dj4monie

If the brain-trust inside Indy Car didn't have their heads up their collective butts, they would have stayed at Surfer's Paradise. Who knows if the ALMS would do another fly away.

An expensive fly-away race at an oddball time for the US market that the home promoter in Australia didn't want to pay for. Why would they have stayed? The Aussies were trying to drop Champcar and make the V8s the main feature anyway.

NaBUru38 · 10 Aug 2010, 23:06 (Ref:2742801)

Better make a 4-hour Asian Le Mans race at Phillip Island. Surfers Paradise is for bumper cars - V8, GT1, WTCC.

dj4monie · 10 Aug 2010, 23:16 (Ref:2742807)

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Originally Posted by picchiofan

An expensive fly-away race at an oddball time for the US market that the home promoter in Australia didn't want to pay for. Why would they have stayed? The Aussies were trying to drop Champcar and make the V8s the main feature anyway.

Indy Car had an offer to stay on the schedule, what happen is they wanted to focus on their home market, look how well that turned out.

With drivers like Dixon, Power and Briscoe, there is plenty of reason to go to Surfer's or any other location in AU if your a Indy Car fan down there and there's three solid reasons for the series to return.

Doing a fly away with ALMS is also about shared cost. They brought in A1GP to replace Indy Car with Nikon is a sponsor, but it imploded.

Indy Car would be welcomed back with open arms down under.

Canada ALMS fan · 11 Aug 2010, 00:22 (Ref:2742827)

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Originally Posted by Subaru_WRX_STi

are 3 Canadian rounds a lot for the ALMS ?

Sounds like a good number to me!

Matt · 11 Aug 2010, 02:47 (Ref:2742852)

Indycar at Sandown would be awesome.

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