Yellow laps

TerryK · 12 Sep 2004, 09:21 (Ref:1093815)

Guys after watching todays race at Sandown I think a few things should be changed.
Cars running off the road, getting stuck, full course yellow & getting dragged out only to do it again..Betsy (idiot) Twice in the same turn.

In F1 no outside help is allowed at all to re enter the race.
I race Nascar online & if we cause a yellow we lose points, I think it should be the same in V8's.
Unlimited lives is totaly wrong, again the WPS cars spent more time in the mud than the track, have a yellow & red card system for drivers causing full course yellows.

Also cars on track with the windows covered with mud should be required to pit to clean up. This is more dangerous than a plastic bumper hanging off IMHO.

I just don't see how the same drivers can be pulled from the mud several times during a race without penality.

RedNine Racing · 12 Sep 2004, 11:03 (Ref:1093923)

Agree 100%

Phase3 · 12 Sep 2004, 12:46 (Ref:1093999)

How about cause a yellow, cop a drive through the lap immediatly following the restart..........

TerryK · 12 Sep 2004, 13:29 (Ref:1094017)

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Originally posted by Phase3
How about cause a yellow, cop a drive through the lap immediatly following the restart..........

Not a bad idea...something has to be done.

rdmdog · 12 Sep 2004, 13:45 (Ref:1094026)

If you dont loose points for blatant "intentional, wilful, covert and decietful in nature(Avesco's words)" cheating, or for "technical irregularities (Avesco's words)" ie: not so blatant cheating, how are people going to loose points for running off the track?

Come to think of it, Ive seen more rediculous things happen

Crash Test · 12 Sep 2004, 21:49 (Ref:1094460)

Remember back to 95? When Lowndesey bunkered down at turn one, that was it, all over!

I bet if you put those kind of threats on people at Bathurst you wouldn't see the kindergarten driving tactics we saw yesterday!

Gracer · 13 Sep 2004, 00:14 (Ref:1094561)

I think that if you have to bring out the safety car once then you should be allowed back out there but if you have to bring it out twice, then there should be some sort of penalty.
It just doesnt seem fair or right that he brought the safety car out twice and still managed to finish in 13th!

Tracy · 13 Sep 2004, 00:28 (Ref:1094565)

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Originally posted by Gracer
I think that if you have to bring out the safety car once then you should be allowed back out there but if you have to bring it out twice, then there should be some sort of penalty.
It just doesnt seem fair or right that he brought the safety car out twice and still managed to finish in 13th!

Hi All

Do you have the correct car Gracer?? TKR finished in 13th, and as far as I am aware they didn't go off track (well, not enough to cause a safety car anyway) during the race?

Evomike · 13 Sep 2004, 00:56 (Ref:1094573)

100% Correct Tracy i think Gracer must have the wrong car drivers and team.

TKR did finish 13th and neither Baird nor Porter caused a safety car all race. This includes a saftey car being deployed for either sending someone else off the track and or going off the track themselves.

Vee8 · 13 Sep 2004, 02:46 (Ref:1094614)

If you're pinging drivers with time or points penalties for causing a safety car, you're creating a culture of boring racing - no one is going to go for the gap or put metal on metal if there's a chance you're going to be further penalised for it even after you've been hauled back on to the track in last position.

I agree that yesterday was pretty ridiculous, but it was simply a situation brought about by circumstances - dry track, sodden infield, lots of mud being tracked on to the racing lines.

From the moment Bezzy went off at Turn 1 on the opening lap, it was always going to be that sort of a race, because every car that speared off brought more mud on to the track, causing more cars to spear off and bring more mud back with them ...

racer69 · 13 Sep 2004, 13:31 (Ref:1095167)

By the same token remember Bathurst in 2002. The Bright/Mezera #2 car went into the sand at Murrays, prompting a pace car.

They got out of the sand (with help), and rejoined the back of the queue without losing a lap, and eventually went onto finish third. In no way was that right.

TerryK · 13 Sep 2004, 13:51 (Ref:1095188)

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Originally posted by racer69
By the same token remember Bathurst in 2002. The Bright/Mezera #2 car went into the sand at Murrays, prompting a pace car.

They got out of the sand (with help), and rejoined the back of the queue without losing a lap, and eventually went onto finish third. In no way was that right.

I got an idea, if they got pushed into the sand they can be pushed out but if you got in on your own & can't get out on your own then park it. Simple rule really

1. in on your own...out on your own or park it
2. pushed in, then get pushed out

Placebo · 14 Sep 2004, 01:54 (Ref:1095832)

I would agree that it was a pain in the proverbial having so many safety cars on the weekend - especially 2 for the same person. But even a minor indiscretion was costly due to how wet and slippery it was off track.
I also agree with Vee8 - maybe the threat of additional penalty would make the driving tame to avoid the risk.
Surely the lap or two down you fall while being pulled out is penalty enough. I don't think the Ambrose/SBR fans would have been happy with additional penalties when Ingall did a Besnard on the same corner the first lap he did in the Pirtek car last year. And he wasn't victim of a wet slippery in-field, he beached it!

Gracer wasn't far off - Besnard's WPS car finished 16th - the point remains the same.

Ozfords · 14 Sep 2004, 10:59 (Ref:1096162)

Why not just have a full course yellow so there is no overtaking and drivers should slow down to allow a tilt truck through or fire marshells.

jetsetter · 14 Sep 2004, 20:00 (Ref:1096673)

There has to be some sort of penalty to discourage amatuerish driving as some guys were causing multiple SC periods & were able to go on unpunished.

PVDA · 18 Sep 2004, 03:40 (Ref:1099895)

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Originally posted by Ozfords
Why not just have a full course yellow so there is no overtaking and drivers should slow down to allow a tilt truck through or fire marshalls.

They have tried that overseas and it just didn't work, the drivers just keep running around without slowing down enough for the marshals to work safely.

It was actually tried at Phillip Island a few years ago where the leader became the pace car but the leader and 2nd & 3rd and 4th and so on needed to know who was leading and again it didn't work.

Sometimes hot track recoveries are done if there is a big enough gap in the traffic but race control has to rely on the ability of the ground crew and in a lot of cases they just cant risk it. The people upstairs areunder a lot of pressure to keep thngs safe.

Keep an eye out during the warm up lap of one of the Carrera Cup races from Sandown when it appears on trackside and you will see a driver lose it while trying to warm his tyres and Fire 1 (& FIV1 that you cant see) have to take off and get out of the way or he would've hit them, remember this was on a WARM UP LAP. More should come of that incident as several marshalls are not happy with the stewards lack of action on that one.

Hapul · 19 Sep 2004, 11:00 (Ref:1100814)

I disagree with most of you on this one.
If someone can not be disadvantaged by running a car into the mud, more drivers will be more inclinded to sticking their nose into the action that little bit more, improving the racing.

racer69 · 19 Sep 2004, 11:48 (Ref:1100887)

But if it leads to 39 laps behind the pace car, how is that improving the racing?

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