Albers - A dirty driver

amier · 17 Apr 2007, 20:05 (Ref:1894181)

According to JV, but I dont think this guy should be in f1, he has not proved his worth, seems to be like another joss verstappen often crashing or in the gravel trap.

Super Hans · 17 Apr 2007, 20:38 (Ref:1894220)

Well, he's got a lot of financial backing, which is why he has an F1 seat, but the fact that he won races in the DTM proves that he isn't a complete clogger. The standard of pay driver is a lot better than it used to be.

Webslinger · 17 Apr 2007, 20:47 (Ref:1894227)

Albers needs to do a lot more to prove his worth in F1 - I'm happy to go with JV's comments until proven otherwise.

But what about a potentially even greater liability called Sutil? Three races and three incidents - maybe he needs to borrow JV's specs and/or contact lenses..?

Super Hans · 17 Apr 2007, 21:23 (Ref:1894257)

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Originally Posted by Webslinger

But what about a potentially even greater liability called Sutil? Three races and three incidents - maybe he needs to borrow JV's specs and/or contact lenses..?

Sutil's had a shaky start, but he's not a liability. He looked the part in F3, and is rated very highly by his former team-mate Lewis Hamilton.

Fletcher · 17 Apr 2007, 21:48 (Ref:1894281)

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Originally Posted by Webslinger

Albers needs to do a lot more to prove his worth in F1 - I'm happy to go with JV's comments until proven otherwise.

But what about a potentially even greater liability called Sutil? Three races and three incidents - maybe he needs to borrow JV's specs and/or contact lenses..?

The crash in Malaysia was not his fault, the car broke. Although he's been crashing I'm pretty impressed as he's regularly been faster than Albers.

I'd say Albers has done enough in lesser categories to deserve a chance in F1 and the first two seasons weren't that bad even if he didn't do anything spectacular. It's very hard to impress with the machinery he's had. Still, if he continues to lose to Sutil he's on his way out.

BootsOntheSide · 17 Apr 2007, 21:58 (Ref:1894294)

Didn't Sutil hit somebody before the main crash in Malaysia? He's always looked like a menace so far, especially when being lapped.

Sev · 17 Apr 2007, 22:27 (Ref:1894313)

Albers has done enough to earn his seat in F1, but I think his time is coming to a close. He outperformed his team mates (just) in his first two years, but I think enoughs enough.

As for Sutil, he's so inexperienced compared to Hamilton/Kubica/Kovalainen, that it's not surprising he's made so many mistakes. He's only ever done F3 before after all. Who knows how quick he really is.

FPV GTHO · 18 Apr 2007, 05:08 (Ref:1894412)

Sutil could benefit from starting in the pits. The team should do it once just to get a baseline for his race pace.

Albers though, as well as having the backing, must have impressed a few people at Spyker by now, as they dont seem to have any shortage of pay drivers they could promote.

steve nielsen · 18 Apr 2007, 06:26 (Ref:1894424)

On of Albers his long time backers is Michiel Mol(Lost Boys,Icon Media Lab), who also(together with his father Jan Mol) owns 70% of Spyker F1(30% of the sahres are owned by Spyker Cars, but 32% of those shares are also owned by Jan Mol).

BTW did anyone hear what Albers's manager had to say before the season started in Australia??

"Christijan has outgrown Spyker, he has to move to a bigger team next year, maybe Red Bull or Toyota"

Well, he will have to beat Sutil first won't he

mp356a · 18 Apr 2007, 14:35 (Ref:1894749)

I like Albers well enough but I rate Doornbos higher.

Gerben24 · 18 Apr 2007, 14:46 (Ref:1894754)

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Originally Posted by mp356a

I like Albers well enough but I rate Doornbos higher.

Why? Doornbos has never won anything significant. I hope he will do well in Champcar. I rate them about the same (which is good, but no world champion material). Doornbos might be quicker over a single lap, but what a lot of people never notice with backmarkers is their racepace. If you keep an eye on Albers his racepace you'll see his always quick and very consistant (until he gets lapped).

f1manoz · 18 Apr 2007, 17:42 (Ref:1894934)

I don't think Albers is the worst pedaller to have driven a Formula One car.

To be out-performed by Sutil on occassion is worrying though.

Ryo28 · 20 Apr 2007, 11:56 (Ref:1896214)

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Originally Posted by Gerben24

Why? Doornbos has never won anything significant. I hope he will do well in Champcar. I rate them about the same (which is good, but no world champion material). Doornbos might be quicker over a single lap, but what a lot of people never notice with backmarkers is their racepace. If you keep an eye on Albers his racepace you'll see his always quick and very consistant (until he gets lapped).

Doornbos did far better in F3000 than Albers, and when paired at Minardi I think Doornbos did slightly better considering he only joined the team mid season. Having said that, I do rate Albers as he had some good drives for Midland last year and easily outperformed Monteiro, but he needs to beat Sutil this year if his career is to keep progressig and that hasn't happened so far. Hs seat at Spyker should be fairly safe though as I believe he is married to the daughter of one of the team's shareholders...

steve nielsen · 20 Apr 2007, 12:01 (Ref:1896223)

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Originally Posted by Ryo28

Hs seat at Spyker should be fairly safe though as I believe he is married to the daughter of one of the team's shareholders...

No, you are confusing him with Giedo van der Garde

(and they are not married yet)

Sodemo · 20 Apr 2007, 14:01 (Ref:1896318)

Scott Speed and his team mate, Rat-Boy have been doing a good job of crashing into anything and everything this year and last.

Super Hans · 20 Apr 2007, 22:20 (Ref:1896703)

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Originally Posted by f1manoz

I don't think Albers is the worst pedaller to have driven a Formula One car.

To be out-performed by Sutil on occassion is worrying though.

Why is it worrying to be out-performed by Adrian Sutil? Sutil has had a very respectable career in the lower formulae, and Albers has won in DTM.

We aren't dealing with a pair of Zsolt Baumgartners here.

runshaw · 20 Apr 2007, 23:02 (Ref:1896724)

Albers is good, no doubt about that, but I reckon he has had his time. In 2 years he has done nothing worth of note, and drivers going into their 3rd year would want to start scoring points...so far the only points Albers scored was 5th place at USA and we all know why that was.

I know he hasn't had the machinery to do much, but if you look at him now he is in the same position as he was when he started in F1 in 2005, at the back. The only slightly special thing he has done was qualifying for the Canadian GP in 2005 when he managed to put a great lap together in a Minardi.

One thing that struck me watching the Aussie GP this year when Albers had that pathetic accident to end his race was how amateur it all seemed. There was Lewis Hamilton working wonders at the front, and at the back Albers with many miles under his belt, locking up, not bothering to get off the brake pedal in time to steer away from the wall. His excuse..."i was fiddling around with my ear phones which had come loose". To me it was a comical episode that you shouldn't really see in the pinnacle of the sport.

Leighton Irwin · 21 Apr 2007, 14:24 (Ref:1897029)

Going back to the original heading of this thread I have it on reasonable authority that he showers at least once a month!

Bramzel · 23 Apr 2007, 11:30 (Ref:1898445)

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Originally Posted by Fletcher

The crash in Malaysia was not his fault, the car broke. Although he's been crashing I'm pretty impressed as he's regularly been faster than Albers.

To get back on this one: The car broke because he hit a Honda with it

According to german tabloid Sport Bild Albers has to prove himself in Barcelona, or he'll lose his seat to Marcus Winkelhock. Now are the german tabloids not the most reliable sources, but it does show that Albers is under pressure. And he should be in my opinion, as he's definitely not performing the way he should.

Ryo28 · 23 Apr 2007, 12:10 (Ref:1898495)

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Originally Posted by steve nielsen

No, you are confusing him with Giedo van der Garde

(and they are not married yet)

Sorry, the Guardian F1 season prevew insisted it was Albers! Perhaps his seat isn't all that safe then, athough I imagine Spyker will be keen to have at least one Dutch driver in the future for marketing/national pride reasons...

steve nielsen · 23 Apr 2007, 14:05 (Ref:1898601)

Giedo is trying to get out of his Aguri contract and test at Spyker, so that would be a Dutch driver.

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