2014 GP2 silly season - Page 3

TR Motorsport · 28 Oct 2013, 10:16 (Ref:3324137)

Were you getting this info from? Were can you get more?

**chunterer** · 28 Oct 2013, 11:26 (Ref:3324162)

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Originally Posted by TR Motorsport

How does JEV have more to gain next year, he will undoubtably be dropped in favour of da Costa for 2015 as what us point of keeping him on for a fourth year at toro rosso? supposed to be team for young drivers, maybe the FIA GT or World Endurance Championship has place for him in 2015 but won't in F1 with Toro Rosso or any other team as by that point will just he too old for Toro Rosso (he will be 25 while vettel will be 27, who has achieved more ?), which is sad as I like JEV but Red Bull will always be ruthless as always and come 2015 he will be a ex-F1 Driver

This maybe better placed in the F1 off season thread, not that I believe you to have any solid foundations for what you say will happen at this stage in any case.

**bella** · 28 Oct 2013, 11:37 (Ref:3324176)

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Originally Posted by TR Motorsport

Were you getting this info from? Were can you get more?

given that the poster doesn't differentiate between total speculation and fact, i wouldn't put too much faith behind his posts.

**bella** · 28 Oct 2013, 14:18 (Ref:3324261)

nico muller has said he's testing with racing engineering and arden at abu dhabi, so formula history was 50% right

Formulahistory · 28 Oct 2013, 16:31 (Ref:3324305)

yes, sorry, Racing Engineering.

The information are from Motorsport aktuell, italiaracing and other sources.

Simon Trummer confirmed he will do all three days with Rapax!

TR Motorsport · 29 Oct 2013, 10:36 (Ref:3324654)

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Originally Posted by Formulahistory

yes, sorry, Racing Engineering.

The information are from Motorsport aktuell, italiaracing and other sources.

Simon Trummer confirmed he will do all three days with Rapax!

oh no not trummer in for another season....

Formulahistory · 30 Oct 2013, 13:34 (Ref:3325119)

Testing update:

Confirmed:
Sandy Stuvik will test for Rapax
Nico Müller for Arden and Racing Engineering.
Binder will test for Arden
Trummer will test for Rapax

Rumoured:
Marciello for DAMS and Racing Engineering
Abt and Binder likely for Hilmer

TR Motorsport · 30 Oct 2013, 15:24 (Ref:3325152)

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/110992

Trummer is confirmed by Rapax for 2014

Biscuits In A Red Bull · 30 Oct 2013, 16:31 (Ref:3325189)

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Originally Posted by TR Motorsport

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/110992

Trummer is confirmed by Rapax for 2014

For a guy who hasn't won a race since finishing Swiss Formula Renault runner-up in 2007... ...how much money?!

TR Motorsport · 30 Oct 2013, 20:17 (Ref:3325251)

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Originally Posted by Biscuits In A Red Bull

For a guy who hasn't won a race since finishing Swiss Formula Renault runner-up in 2007... ...how much money?!

Or a top 20 Drivers Championship spot in GP2? Only one answer I'm afraid:
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$, eg. Lots

Why can't GP2 be like it was back in 2005/2006 when yes they were a few 'pay drivers' and 'journeymen' but the majority of the grid was there on the merit of their talent.

For example in 2005, Rosberg, Kovalinen, Speed, Carroll, Jani

In 2006, Hamilton, Premat, Glock, Piquet Jnr, di Grassi..

Go_For_Pole · 30 Oct 2013, 21:19 (Ref:3325265)

Because it is too damned expensive?

Biscuits In A Red Bull · 31 Oct 2013, 08:13 (Ref:3325414)

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Originally Posted by TR Motorsport

Why can't GP2 be like it was back in 2005/2006 when yes they were a few 'pay drivers' and 'journeymen' but the majority of the grid was there on the merit of their talent.

Ooh, that reminds me of FR3.5 now...

**chunterer** · 31 Oct 2013, 11:07 (Ref:3325464)

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Originally Posted by Biscuits In A Red Bull

Ooh, that reminds me of FR3.5 now...

Only there's actually more depth of talent in 3.5 at the moment because it costs half a much to compete than a season of GP2!!!

**bella** · 31 Oct 2013, 11:16 (Ref:3325471)

not so much this season, chunty. keeping the things reliable cost rather more than projected so (iirc) the prices have gone up a bit more than plain old inflation. noticed an influx of new pitstop toys towards the end of the season mind you so things can't be that tight chez 3.5

i suspect the prices are meeting a little in the middle - the cheapest last minute gp2 deals can be had for top drive 3.5 money. but that's entirely unscientific, and if you can afford a top 3.5 drive then you would do that, wouldn't you?!

and the "there on the merit of their talent" thing... you mean, the decent talent had access to enough money to be able to pay for it because it was pre-economic fallover?

**chunterer** · 31 Oct 2013, 11:20 (Ref:3325473)

Well I can't say about pre or post economic impacts but like you say if you can have a competitive race winning drive in a series where you will get fairly good exposure or a back of the grid drive in a series where you'll be able to do naff all and hardly any exposure, I know what I would choose whether I was allegedly in front of F1 team managers or not....

**bella** · 31 Oct 2013, 11:38 (Ref:3325484)

anyone heard the vandoorne testing with art rumour? that one's interesting, given that the drivers entorage aren't keen on the series and the art team have had a, er, hard season.

**chunterer** · 31 Oct 2013, 11:44 (Ref:3325485)

No....

And indeed!!!

However, I have this huge suspicion that if an absolute ace driver comes into GP2 in a properly set up team/car, that driver will stand a very good chance of cleaning up such is the level at present......

TR Motorsport · 31 Oct 2013, 12:20 (Ref:3325488)

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Originally Posted by bella

anyone heard the vandoorne testing with art rumour? that one's interesting, given that the drivers entorage aren't keen on the series and the art team have had a, er, hard season.

McLaren however have connections with ART, having placed Hamilton at ART in Formula 3 Euro in 2005 and GP2 in 2006, as well as Bird there in 2010. (When Mercedes, whom Bird is signed to, owned a bit of McLaren)

Not surprised Vandoorne is considering GP2, the car is so much closer in terms of performance to F1 then FR3.5 and for next year the costs will be lower as they keeping same car so for a full season its looking likely to cost £750,000 to £1,200,000, which a lot less than this year were the cheapest deal you could get even last minute.com was around the £1,000,000 mark, and that would have only bought you a seat at one of the backmarker GP2 teams such as Lazarus or Trident. So maybe due to the reduced costs McLaren is thinking of GP2 as a better option than FR3.5 for next year, and we might actually see a more talent orientated grid next year?

Biscuits In A Red Bull · 31 Oct 2013, 13:21 (Ref:3325508)

Wishful thinking going on here...

**bella** · 31 Oct 2013, 13:52 (Ref:3325522)

lol, i'll say.

i think the key's in the "silly season" bit of the title, though some may be taking it a bit literally

miniman · 31 Oct 2013, 17:07 (Ref:3325560)

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Originally Posted by bella

lol, i'll say.

i think the key's in the "silly season" bit of the title, though some may be taking it a bit literally

Silly indeed! Iirc there have only ever been very few drivers who haven't had to pay for their seats in GP2 and are there on talent alone, (Bird this year.) So whoever said why can't it be like it was back whenever us talking through a home in his hat!

ivanalesi · 31 Oct 2013, 18:37 (Ref:3325580)

Martsenko is going to test with Campos & ART(!?), but much more shockingly Nagulin is truly going to test with Lazarus! The guy just recently won his first ever race because the leaders had reliability problems and it was in Abarth, which isn't very strong right now.
It's all from Russia's Autosport, which is owned by Kosatchenko, so it's pretty reliable.

**bella** · 31 Oct 2013, 20:31 (Ref:3325616)

as in petrov's old manager? she was posing around at barcelona in various awnings and at the front of the grid. is she involved with managing martsenko or something?

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Originally Posted by miniman

Silly indeed! Iirc there have only ever been very few drivers who haven't had to pay for their seats in GP2 and are there on talent alone, (Bird this year.) So whoever said why can't it be like it was back whenever us talking through a home in his hat!

being fair, i'd like to hope that the post was angled more at pointing out that you didn't need the vast excessive money you seem to need now to have a decent gp2 drive. it's only been since 2010 really that the cash the average driver needs to find is so out of proportion to the previous steps on the "ladder".

most of the big talent names back in the day were bankrolled by either a f1 team or an anonymous source of a bag of cash, or such like. those situations are a lot rarer now. hulkenberg for example always had the cash to buy the best and most competitive seats in every series he raced in. he also had the talent to turn it into a title though you've got to wonder whether he or grosjean would have been able to do the same thing nowadays?

p-matt · 31 Oct 2013, 20:36 (Ref:3325618)

She is

Formulahistory · 31 Oct 2013, 22:51 (Ref:3325668)

Vandoorne is rumoured to test for ART
Caterham will test Regalia, Stevens, Rossi and Haryanto

Testing update:

Confirmed:
Sandy Stuvik and Trummer will test for Rapax
Nico Müller for Arden and Racing Engineering.
Binder will test for Arden
Regalia, Stevens, Rossi and Haryanto for Caterham.
Nagulin at Lazarus

Rumoured:
Marciello for DAMS and Racing Engineering
Abt and Binder likely for Hilmer
Vandoorne at ART
Martsenko at ART and Campos

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