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Old 20 Nov 2008, 10:01 (Ref:2338237)   #16
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I'm glad Jesper mentioned that, as I remember seeing the same pic somewhere (think I've seen a couple of fairly blurry pics that looked like screengrabs from video of the Oran race). Incidentally, in those pics, I seem to remember the car doesn't have the Evolution bodykit etc of the WTCC cars- ie looks more like the 1986 season V6/Turbo cars?

If the Oran race was in February and the car ran in the 'old' spec, then was the Evo not yet homologated, or was it a simple parts supply issue?

The Bathurst annual definitely describes the Bond car as being Luigi-built, and makes considerable reference to it being heavily reworked in Australia, including the conversion to RHD, because the team weren't happy with the state of the car as supplied. Apparently it was seriously down on power- (according to the book, the spec sheet said 320bhp, on the dyno it was allegedly nearer 200...) and the rhd conversion allowed the use of a different exhaust system which improved that situation.

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Old 20 Nov 2008, 21:35 (Ref:2338563)   #17
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KA, I think you're right about the regular body work on Bondy's Oran Park outing.

Brixia Corse obviously recognises their 1987 WTCC explorations as can be seen here (check out their picture section too). Text in italian only.

http://www.scuderiaitalia.it/history.php

I'm told that their Beretta sponsorship is in fact an weapons manufacturer.

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Old 21 Nov 2008, 11:36 (Ref:2338801)   #18
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KA, I think you're right about the regular body work on Bondy's Oran Park outing.

Brixia Corse obviously recognises their 1987 WTCC explorations as can be seen here (check out their picture section too). Text in italian only.

http://www.scuderiaitalia.it/history.php

I'm told that their Beretta sponsorship is in fact an weapons manufacturer.

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Yes it would definitely be the famous Italian gun manufacturer- the 'Beretta: armi per lo sport' on seen on the bonnet of the cars...
http://lemansmotorsport.free.fr/spa8...%2077%2078.jpg
....apparently translates as 'Beretta: weapons for sport', and the logo above it is definitely that of Beretta

http://www.beretta.com/

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Old 21 Nov 2008, 18:11 (Ref:2339070)   #19
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http://forum.racesimcentral.com/show...263800&page=10

...found a link to the Bond/Ignis 75.

Thanks for the Beretta link, KA.

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Old 22 Nov 2008, 15:58 (Ref:2339609)   #20
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http://www.berlinasportivo.com/magaz...Racing7504.jpg

Part of an article about 75s in Italian racing 1990, giving information about chassis numbers an preparers - great!

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Old 22 Nov 2008, 17:02 (Ref:2339635)   #21
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Could use that to kick off chassis thread in the archive
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Old 24 Nov 2008, 10:37 (Ref:2340681)   #22
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http://forum.racesimcentral.com/show...263800&page=10

...found a link to the Bond/Ignis 75.

Thanks for the Beretta link, KA.

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Yes, they're the pics I was thinking of!
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Old 24 Nov 2008, 10:45 (Ref:2340688)   #23
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Depending on when the ARDT 75s actually made their debut, I wonder how much of the running gear from both GTV6s was reused to build the 75s- There was certainly one GTV still active at the beginning of the '86 season, as they used it for the Donington ETCC round, presumably because the 75 wasn't ready (or homologated, bearing in mind that none of the Italian cars showed either?)
Had a look at the BTCC results I've got from 1986, and ARDT definitely started the season with a single GTV6 for Kirby at the opening round (plus the Donington ETCC outing), before the 75s appeared at the round 2- I think that might well fit with what chunterer said about Dooley's 75 being build up using parts from his GTV6...?

Looking at the '87 season results, Kirby missed a number of rounds from mid-season on, and even appeared at a couple of mid-season rounds with a 75 in V6 rather than turbo form- suggests they were having problems making the turbo work....
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Old 24 Nov 2008, 18:25 (Ref:2340962)   #24
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Great cars. Starting out with 280 hp in 1987 power increased to
more than 440 hp with 18" wheels in the '91 CIVT

Some still racing Alfa Corse Evoluziones
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Owners are

Bob van der Sluis, Telaio 026
Harmen van Putten, Telaio 014
Douwe Heida
Marco Graf
Kuno Schar, Telaio 029
Car restored by Nick Humpreys, Telaio 010
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Great stuff- good to see some of these lovely beasts still actively raced. The 'Telaio' numbers you mention- these are chassis numbers by any chance?

More of the Nick Humphrey car -owned by Kerry Gardiner apparently

http://www.redshoes-archive.com/res/image.php?ID=8569
http://www.redshoes-archive.com/res/image.php?ID=8666
http://www.redshoes-archive.com/res/image.php?ID=8670
http://www.redshoes-archive.com/res/image.php?ID=8677
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Old 25 Nov 2008, 15:28 (Ref:2341507)   #27
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...and some more- CIVT (Italian touring cars) 1989 at Monza:

http://www.monzasport.it/public/gall...CIVT890302.jpg

http://www.monzasport.it/public/gall...CIVT890308.jpg

http://www.monzasport.it/public/gall...CIVT891001.jpg

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In 1988 Alfa developed a special 75 evo version called IMSA for participating
in the 9th edition of the 'Giro d'Italia' a 1828 km race and rally event throughout Italy. Three cars entered the start, the Patrese-Biasion-
Siviero car took first place and the Loubet-Guerrero car became second. In 1989 the Francia-Cerrato-Cerri car won the tenth edition. Today one of these IMSA's remains at the Alfa museum.
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That's an impressive beast....

As you mentioned Yves Loubet- going back a couple of years, his Rothmans-backed Group A GTV6 rallycar was replaced by a 75:

http://www.forum-auto.com/uploads/20...4_alfa75loubet

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As a matter of fact - four variations of the Alfa 75 was homologated

Alfa Romeo Alfa 75 Quadrifoglio
A5300 / 1986.05.01-1996.12.31 / 2492.5 cc

Alfa Romeo Alfa 75 Turbo
A5307 / 1986.08.01-1996.12.31 / 1762.0 cc x 1.4 = 2466.8 cc
From 1988: 1762.0 cc x 1.7 = 2995.4 cc

Alfa Romeo Alfa 75 2.0 Super
A5326 / 1987.02.01-1996.12.31 / 1962.0 cc

Alfa Romeo Alfa 75 V6 3.0
A5350 / 1988.02.01-1996.12.31 / 2959.0 cc

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