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Old 22 Mar 2018, 23:26 (Ref:3810013)   #316
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Honda's previous engine was balanced against a SLOWER class of cars.
What the everloving crap are you talking about?

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Ligier Honda JS P2 (3.5L) - 2:02.595

The AR35TT is just the HR35TT rebranded.
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Old 23 Mar 2018, 01:16 (Ref:3810022)   #317
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I was talking with someone who said there used to be bleachers inside 17 ... must be more than ten years ago.

T1 inside has been taken over by Hospitality suites and motor homes, and outside, by motor homes. I think there might be bleachers between One and Two on driver;s left (I think I was there last year or year before) but it is pretty far upstream ... i should look for the pics---i think i could see the cars exiting One.
General viewing isnt the best. Didn't see anything near 17 other than what I was able to catch walking over the bridge. What I did see was awesome, amazing corner to seen in person but it's completely locked down by the Porsche and corvette corals which is a bummer.

I knew a guy that was able to get me in the hotel, and then up to a room on the third floor for a bit to watch the hairpin. The highlight for me was catching a hole in the rv parking outside turn one at sunset. Got a few good pictures, was really hoping to see that view when I found out I was going and I'm glad I got lucky enough to find that spot.

In general though, and to be fair I haven't been to a ton of circuits around the country, the sightlines for general admission aren't very good.
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Old 23 Mar 2018, 01:49 (Ref:3810027)   #318
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What the everloving crap are you talking about?

FIA WEC 6 Hours of Circuit of the Americas Qualifying LMP1 & LMP2
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Ligier Honda JS P2 (3.5L) - 2:02.595

The AR35TT is just the HR35TT rebranded.
What am I talking about? The fact that this is the first season the Honda engine has been in the back of a car under the current specifications. Which are FASTER in IMSA than the old LMP2 and DPs were.

All you've done there is provide an example of how bad the Conti tires are. For the record, IMSA's pole time at COTA last year was 1:54.809 by the WTR Cadillac. The fastest LMP2 was 1:56.884.

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Old 23 Mar 2018, 11:23 (Ref:3810119)   #319
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For the record, IMSA's pole time at COTA last year was 1:54.809 by the WTR Cadillac. The fastest LMP2 was 1:56.884.
The second part of this is simply not true. The fastest LMP2 lap from the WEC race was 1:53.081 by Bruno Senna. In fact, eleven drivers set a time faster than that Ricky Taylor time.

If we talk about race laps only, then the fastest were Jordan Taylor with 1:57.198 and Nico Lapierre with 1:55.427.
Times from the usual sources: http://imsa.alkamelsystems.com/ and http://fiawec.alkamelsystems.com/ .
What even is the point of mentioning the races at COTA anyway?
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Old 23 Mar 2018, 12:00 (Ref:3810127)   #320
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General viewing isnt the best. Didn't see anything near 17 other than what I was able to catch walking over the bridge. What I did see was awesome, amazing corner to seen in person but it's completely locked down by the Porsche and corvette corals which is a bummer.

I knew a guy that was able to get me in the hotel, and then up to a room on the third floor for a bit to watch the hairpin. The highlight for me was catching a hole in the rv parking outside turn one at sunset. Got a few good pictures, was really hoping to see that view when I found out I was going and I'm glad I got lucky enough to find that spot.

In general though, and to be fair I haven't been to a ton of circuits around the country, the sightlines for general admission aren't very good.
I'm glad you got to enjoy some of the most spectacular sights around the track - as limited as they might have been.

There's a bit of a spectator viewing area incl. bleacher on the exit of 17 on drivers left but it's kinda far away from the track, however it also gives you a view of the S-F straight I believe. Any viewing on the outside of the turn would be marred by fencing though unless the current distance will be maintained.

The area right before the bridge also on drivers left is maybe even more tricky due to cars still shedding speed and turning in at the same time - on the many occasions one of them gets it wrong it almost always ends in tears with a close up visit to the tirewall, having debris from one of those hits flying straight is certainly not unthinkable. Further away from the track, the area is occupied by - you guessed it right - more RV's, probably team/participants this time but imo a prime location for a medium sized bleacher without having to put up major fencing. And it's right where the shuttle trams pass by (almost where the starting/turning point of their route is).

[And just as a FYI: The area right before and under the bridge (both sides actually) has been "promoted" to photographers's 'Red Zone'.]

I was once again privileged to see the bumps and dips in 17 up close as one of the positions we cover as corner workers is '17 bridge' (on drivers right, directly in front of the big advertising sign) which is mainly a communication spot; seeing the cars bounce over everything is a sight to behold, especially as we stand maybe 5 feet from the racing line (behind the concrete wall obviously) - I can almost high five the cars as they come thru! Best spot in the house by far!
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Old 23 Mar 2018, 15:14 (Ref:3810179)   #321
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I was once again privileged to see the bumps and dips in 17 up close as one of the positions we cover as corner workers is '17 bridge' (on drivers right, directly in front of the big advertising sign) which is mainly a communication spot; seeing the cars bounce over everything is a sight to behold, especially as we stand maybe 5 feet from the racing line (behind the concrete wall obviously) - I can almost high five the cars as they come thru! Best spot in the house by far!
That's a pretty good spectator area too ... thought they are 20 feet behind the wall, behind the white wooden fence. I watched Friday morning practice from there.

Driver's left through 3-4-5 is good too. Inside 10 too
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Old 23 Mar 2018, 15:43 (Ref:3810189)   #322
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Just watched the first hour of part 2 of the Sebring youtube race reply. The GTLM battle was awesome and very intense during that period. Got lots of TV time too. Made me very happy to see.
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Old 23 Mar 2018, 19:34 (Ref:3810232)   #323
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The second part of this is simply not true. The fastest LMP2 lap from the WEC race was 1:53.081 by Bruno Senna. In fact, eleven drivers set a time faster than that Ricky Taylor time.

If we talk about race laps only, then the fastest were Jordan Taylor with 1:57.198 and Nico Lapierre with 1:55.427.
Times from the usual sources: http://imsa.alkamelsystems.com/ and http://fiawec.alkamelsystems.com/ .
What even is the point of mentioning the races at COTA anyway?
Where did I say anything about WEC in my comparison? Answer: NOWHERE.

Here, verify my numbers for yourself. IMSA COTA qualifying results from 2017: http://results.imsa.com/Results/17_2...03_Results.PDF

I used COTA because Carbsmith used COTA. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Old 23 Mar 2018, 19:57 (Ref:3810236)   #324
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Perhaps we should have a separate thread about BoP, or whatever tangent is currently being argued about at the moment. The internet isn’t a competition. It’s drowning out interesting posters thoughts about their Sebring experiences.
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Perhaps we should have a separate thread about BoP, or whatever tangent is currently being argued about at the moment. The internet isnít a competition. Itís drowning out interesting posters thoughts about their Sebring experiences.
It's been the same exact things from the same people since the first race in 2014. :\
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It's been the same exact things from the same people since the first race in 2014. :\
The only thing that has been constantly changing is that the race has gotten better each year.

We the fans and posters, have gotten ... older.
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The only thing that has been constantly changing is that the race has gotten better each year.

We the fans and posters, have gotten ... older.
I think everybody agrees that 2014 Sebring was the worst race in north American sportscar history. All of the 12 hour races from 2015-2018 have been pretty good though.
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Old 25 Mar 2018, 03:12 (Ref:3810552)   #328
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I'm glad you got to enjoy some of the most spectacular sights around the track - as limited as they might have been.

There's a bit of a spectator viewing area incl. bleacher on the exit of 17 on drivers left but it's kinda far away from the track, however it also gives you a view of the S-F straight I believe. Any viewing on the outside of the turn would be marred by fencing though unless the current distance will be maintained.

The area right before the bridge also on drivers left is maybe even more tricky due to cars still shedding speed and turning in at the same time - on the many occasions one of them gets it wrong it almost always ends in tears with a close up visit to the tirewall, having debris from one of those hits flying straight is certainly not unthinkable. Further away from the track, the area is occupied by - you guessed it right - more RV's, probably team/participants this time but imo a prime location for a medium sized bleacher without having to put up major fencing. And it's right where the shuttle trams pass by (almost where the starting/turning point of their route is).

[And just as a FYI: The area right before and under the bridge (both sides actually) has been "promoted" to photographers's 'Red Zone'.]

I was once again privileged to see the bumps and dips in 17 up close as one of the positions we cover as corner workers is '17 bridge' (on drivers right, directly in front of the big advertising sign) which is mainly a communication spot; seeing the cars bounce over everything is a sight to behold, especially as we stand maybe 5 feet from the racing line (behind the concrete wall obviously) - I can almost high five the cars as they come thru! Best spot in the house by far!
That sounds amazing. How did you score that marshaling post? Sebring was a great experience, I'm far from disappointed, first time I got to see night racing too. I'll be back for sure, my folks rent a place in ft meyers so it's pretty easy for me actually. Thing that really stood out is how crowded it was. I was there the first year of the merger and it had to be twice as crowded.

I think that had to do as much with the difficulty I had finding good spots as anything. Well that And went with my dad who is pretty casual and his friend who cares even less so I had to be diplomatic with my approach if i wanted to see some night racing which I hadn't seen before, and it's great.

What I need to do is convince my Indy 500 crew that sports car racing is awesome and drag them down there. Camp and make a long weekend of it
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That sounds amazing. How did you score that marshaling post?
Go to SCCA website and check out how to volunteer. I have a friend who spend two or three weekends a month with some of the best seats in the house, just for being upright and waving the appropriate flag now and then.


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Sebring was a great experience, I'm far from disappointed, first time I got to see night racing too. I'll be back for sure, my folks rent a place in ft meyers so it's pretty easy for me actually.
Awesome for you.

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I think that had to do as much with the difficulty I had finding good spots as anything.
Show up early Thursday and bring your hiking boots. Check out the whole circuit and pick your favorite spots.

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What I need to do is convince my Indy 500 crew that sports car racing is awesome and drag them down there. Camp and make a long weekend of it
Point out how many IndyCar stars will be there--- plus it is the only way to see Helio and Juan Pablo.

Always good to hear that one more person got infected.
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I finally finished the race last night. What an excellent race. Some amazing racing in every category all race. At about 2 hours to go, the Mazda sucked me in again... I should have known better... Derani is on another level than anyone else sometimes. It's insane.

Almost as impressive as the race is some people's ability to find ways to complain and argue. It is okay to just appreciate a great race put on by series that is getting a lot right nowadays.
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