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Old 14 Jul 2008, 14:12 (Ref:2250658)   #1
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MotoGP Round 11 - US Grand Prix - Laguna Seca

MotoGP Round 11 - US Grand Prix - Laguna Seca - Salinas CA

Friday 18.07
Free Practice 1 > 10:00 - 11:00
Free Practice 2 > 13:55 - 14:55

Saturday 19.07
Free Practice 3 > 10:00 - 11:00
Qualifying > 13:55 - 14:55

Sunday 20.07
Warm Up > 09:40 - 10:05
Race (32 laps x 3.610km = 115.52km) > 14:00 - 14:45

Lap Record > 1'22.542 (157.447kmh) Casey STONER (2007)
Laguna Seca home page > http://www.laguna-seca.com/pages/Red_Bull_US_Grand_Prix
Race schedule > http://www.laguna-seca.com/pages/sched-redbull
Google Satellite > http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie...20385&t=k&z=17
Yamaha Team preview > http://www.f1sa.com/index.php?option...279&Itemid=219
Chris Vermuelen preview > http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/Articl...ID=6760&Page=1
Weather forecast > max 22deg and sunny > chance of rain 0%

Championship Standings

1. Valentino ROSSI ITA > 187
2. Dani PEDROSA SPA > 171
3. Casey STONER AUS > 167
4. Jorge LORENZO SPA > 114
5. Colin EDWARDS USA > 98
6. Andrea DOVIZIOSO ITA > 90
7. Chris VERMEULEN AUS > 73
8. Nicky HAYDEN USA Repsol > 73
9. James TOSELAND GBR > 65
10. Shinya NAKANO JPN > 64
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Old 20 Jul 2008, 05:59 (Ref:2254249)   #2
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It appears that any teams running Michelins this weekend can give up any hope of scoring a podium finish. Apparently Michelin have severely stuffed up their tyre selections and have brought the completely wrong compounds to Laguna Seca for the conditions.
They have brought a range of hard compound tyres expecting heatwave conditions like 2006, but the actual conditions are quite cool. As a result it is taking 10 to 15 laps to get sufficient heat into the tyres to start to turn competative lap times.
The situation is so bad that hayden and several other teams went out in FP2 on intermediate or cut slick tyres in an attempt to generate some heat into the tyres.

Story here
And here

It's hard to believe that in such a professional series a major tyre company could get it so wrong. Shades of the F1 debacle at Indianapolis a few years ago.
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Old 20 Jul 2008, 06:19 (Ref:2254259)   #3
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Well, we shall see how Hayden & Lorenzo go out of P3 & P4...
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Old 20 Jul 2008, 07:24 (Ref:2254297)   #4
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Well, we shall see how Hayden & Lorenzo go out of P3 & P4...
I suspect they will probably go backwards. The times they set were on qualifying tyres which don't have the same problem getting heat into the tyres. The only decent times they did on race tyres came at the end of long runs.

I thing Vermuelen will be the main contender for the 3rd step on the podium. (CS/VR/CV) But as always, we shall see.
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Old 20 Jul 2008, 07:45 (Ref:2254305)   #5
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yeah, Chris is darn good at Laguna
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Old 20 Jul 2008, 15:16 (Ref:2254605)   #6
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Seems a bit quieter in here than most races
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Old 20 Jul 2008, 15:56 (Ref:2254627)   #7
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Dani Filth should be qualifying in the top 5 on the gridDani Filth should be qualifying in the top 5 on the gridDani Filth should be qualifying in the top 5 on the grid
quite honestly .. there isn't much to say :-S
maybe after the race
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Old 20 Jul 2008, 16:27 (Ref:2254650)   #8
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BootsOntheSide should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridBootsOntheSide should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridBootsOntheSide should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridBootsOntheSide should be qualifying in the top 3 on the grid
It might not be such a bad race for Pedrosa to miss, if he wasn't likely to be competitive anyway. A Stoner v Rossi battle could be fun to see.
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Old 20 Jul 2008, 21:56 (Ref:2254862)   #9
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A Stoner v Rossi battle could be fun to see.
Dead right - best race I've seen for a bit.
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Old 20 Jul 2008, 21:56 (Ref:2254864)   #10
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And a Stoner v Rossi battle we did get. That was the best race this year by a mile!!!
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Old 20 Jul 2008, 21:56 (Ref:2254865)   #11
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wow . not sure how many expected that
Rossi at 100% .. what more can you ask
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Old 20 Jul 2008, 22:16 (Ref:2254874)   #12
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Seems from the interviews I have listened to that Casey was not too happy with Vale's riding!

I think Vale has just made his Gibernau move on Casey actually, this was the time that Rossi said "I am better on braking and will just make you sit up every time you rocket past"

I have some sympathy with Casey actually here as he will not have experienced Valentino riding like this before and it probably shocked him a bit, some of Vale's moves especially the out of control one at theCorkscrew were a little bit out of order.

But, what I hope now is that Casey knows where the goalposts have been moved to and re-programs the brain.

Brilliant ride from Dovi and also from Hacking early on, wtf was Edwards playing at, nice to see JT getting a decent ride at last too.

And oh, Lorenzo needs to take the rest of the year off, his head is a mess!!
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Old 20 Jul 2008, 22:52 (Ref:2254897)   #13
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I think Rossi's move at the corkscrew on lap 4 was questionable and could easily have ended in disaster for both. Apart from that incident I think the other moves were hard but fair. Rossi did exactly what he had to do, make Stoner work very hard to overtake and then immediately hit back. By continually sticking the front wheel up the inside he broke Stoner's rythmn. He knew that if he gave Casey half a lap in front he would be gone and very hard to catch.
It was a real pity Casey binned it as it was shaping up as a real dogfight to the end. Overall a brilliant race!

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And oh, Lorenzo needs to take the rest of the year off, his head is a mess!!
His ankle also I suspect.
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Old 20 Jul 2008, 23:17 (Ref:2254909)   #14
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Fantastic performance. Rossi at his best. Very tactical racing.
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Old 20 Jul 2008, 23:38 (Ref:2254916)   #15
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People take each other off all the time, I bet there's still the discussion of a similar move from Zanardi on Herta going on. Rossi did what he had to and huge respect for him. I do hope to see them 2 clash again later in the season - I always love to see intense rivalry.
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Old 20 Jul 2008, 23:40 (Ref:2254917)   #16
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Seems from the interviews I have listened to that Casey was not too happy with Vale's riding!
Yea, heard that too, he got a free riding lesson from the best, he needs to shut it and deal with it. His straight-line speed is ridiculously superior, yet all he does is either capitalize on that or fail to and whine.
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Old 21 Jul 2008, 00:43 (Ref:2254931)   #17
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I thought at first that Rossi went out very hard to get Stoner riding pretty ragged and make sure his tyres would go off as Rossi was riding pretty smooth. In the end Rossi was lucky as his tyres didn't look to great!

But he did do a proper number on Stoner forcing him into mistakes.

Chunder is right about the "Gibernau" move although sometimes I think that Stoner doesn't do too much thinking and may not be affected in the same way Sete was.

All in all a class race and a master display by The Doctor!
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Old 21 Jul 2008, 05:24 (Ref:2255026)   #18
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Im a parochial Australian and a Casey fan, but the riding by Rossi and he this morning was just fantastic to watch!

Sure, the Doctor was aggressive, but you have to give as good as you get, the spectacle of the two of them banging handlebars, elbows out was just awesome!!

It reached the heights of their classic battle from last year. It was just a shame that Casey over-cooked it.

As for Lorenzo. Ouch.
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Old 21 Jul 2008, 05:42 (Ref:2255030)   #19
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People take each other off all the time, I bet there's still the discussion of a similar move from Zanardi on Herta going on.
Difference being that Zanardi returned to the track well in front of Herta, and there was no danger of taking him out as he returned.

Rossi rode straight across the track and would have taken them both out had Casey not had his wits about him.

Heaven forbid that I would even contemplate this about the people's champion, but I doubt Rossi would have been too disappointed championship-wise, had they both failed to finish.

That particular incident was quite poor form I thought.
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His straight-line speed is ridiculously superior, yet all he does is either capitalize on that or fail to and whine.
Did you miss Sachsenring?

Straight-line speed means nothing there - especially in the wet. It means very little at Laguna too. Mr Melandri has the same straight-line speed, as did Loris last year...

It's very easy to say, "oh, Stoner only wins cause his bike is fast in a straight-line" - if you are ignorant.

Besides, it is a convenient excuse to explain away Casey's success against the greatest rider in the history of the world - how dare anyone suggest that someone might be even close to Valentino right...?

Still, a fantastic ride by Valentino - he really hung it out there. Well done to Vermeulen too.
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I dont think anyone is doubting that Valentino is possibly the more superior rider in terms of racecraft and his ability to defend and attack.

But you have to remember he has more experience of this kind of thing. He was tutored by the likes of Alzamora, Sakata, Ueda in 125's! They were nutters!

And in 250 he was up there with Waldmann, Harada and Loris who were extremely clever and tough riders.

Casey has not had to battle much in GP yet, not for wins anyway. He usually just exploits his advantages and pulls away, much like Pedrosa does.

I dont think either of them are as good as Vale in a fight, especially Dani. Stoner is tough though and kept coming back for more which I enjoyed!

My problem was the lack of imagination, he seemed unable to come up with anything different? Maybe the track or just his only advantage was speed?
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US Grand Prix - results

1. Valentino ROSSI ITA > Fiat Yamaha Team YAMAHA > 44'04.311 (157.270kmh)
2. Casey STONER AUS > Ducati Team DUCATI > 44'17.312 (+13.001)
3. Chris VERMEULEN AUS > Rizla Suzuki MotoGP SUZUKI > 44'30.920 (+26.609)
4. Andrea DOVIZIOSO ITA > JiR Team Scot MotoGP HONDA > 44'39.212 (+34.901)
5. Nicky HAYDEN USA > Repsol Honda Team HONDA > 44'39.974 (+35.663)
6. Randy DE PUNIET FRA > LCR Honda MotoGP HONDA > 44'41.979 (+37.668)
7. Toni ELIAS SPA > Alice Team DUCATI > 44'45.940 (+41.629)
8. Ben SPIES USA > Rizla Suzuki MotoGP SUZUKI > 44'46.238 (+41.927)
9. James TOSELAND GBR > Tech 3 Yamaha YAMAHA > 44'47.330 (+43.019)
10. Shinya NAKANO JPN > San Carlo Honda Gresini HONDA > 44'48.702 (+44.391)
11. Jamie HACKING USA > Kawasaki Racing Team KAWASAKI > 44'50.569 (+46.258)
12. Sylvain GUINTOLI FRA > Alice Team DUCATI > 44'59.584 (+55.273)
13. Alex DE ANGELIS RSM > San Carlo Honda Gresini HONDA > 44'59.832 (+55.521)
14. Colin EDWARDS USA > Tech 3 Yamaha YAMAHA > 45'06.691 (+1'02.380)
15. Loris CAPIROSSI ITA > Rizla Suzuki MotoGP SUZUKI > 45'12.518 (+1'08.207)
16. Marco MELANDRI ITA > Ducati Team DUCATI > 45'15.273 (+1'10.962)
17. Anthony WEST AUS > Kawasaki Racing Team KAWASAKI > 44'34.872 (+1 lap)
DNF. Jorge LORENZO SPA > Fiat Yamaha Team YAMAHA

> what a race !! Rossi was much more determined to win - lucky both did not come down
> nice rides from Vermuelen, Dovizioso, Hayden and Spies
> yet another spill for Lorenzo - he needs a good rest
> everyone needs the three week break

Championship Standings

1. ROSSI Valentino ITA > 212
2. STONER Casey AUS > 187
3. PEDROSA Dani SPA > 171
4. LORENZO Jorge SPA > 114
5. DOVIZIOSO Andrea ITA > 103
6. EDWARDS Colin USA > 100
7. VERMEULEN Chris AUS > 89
8. HAYDEN Nicky USA > 84
9. TOSELAND James GBR > 72
10. NAKANO Shinya JPN > 70
11. CAPIROSSI Loris ITA > 61
12. ELIAS Toni SPA > 46
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Well I thought it was brilliant. Just what it needed to make good television and put it to the fore. Edge of the seat stuff for most of the race !!
As I had a very "heavy"Saturday night /Sunday morning, it kept me awake for a change
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