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Old 19 May 2016, 17:33 (Ref:3642935)   #26
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Don't know..but it will happen sometime, bit like the youngest to win a race last Sunday?
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Old 19 May 2016, 19:03 (Ref:3642966)   #27
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I think it's too early to write Fred off, both him and Jenson have done well with what they have
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rate him highly of course but a couple of years makes a huge difference in the life of an athlete.

when is the last time a driver won a title over the age of 35?
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rate him highly of course but a couple of years makes a huge difference in the life of an athlete.

when is the last time a driver won a title over the age of 35?
It would be interesting to see how many drivers of that age have been in positions to really fight for the title (in a truly competitive car). In short, which teams at the top will go with older drivers vs. rolling the dice with the new hotshot? I really have no idea what the answer is. Kimi is really the only example this year if you feel anyone other than Mercedes has a real shot.

I sometimes tend to think that there is a strong tendency in F1 to chase the next "greatest ever" vs. going with known quantities. Of course that is not a hard rule otherwise someone like Alonso, Button, Massa and Kimi wouldn't have drives today.

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when is the last time a driver won a title over the age of 35?
At the age of 35, we have Schumacher and Lauda. Amongst the over 35s, there is Hill (both father and son), Mansell and Prost, but out in front is Fangio at 46.
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At the age of 35, we have Schumacher and Lauda. Amongst the over 35s, there is Hill (both father and son), Mansell and Prost, but out in front is Fangio at 46.
I had not realized Damon was that old when he won his championship. I just looked it up and he was 32 +/- when he started F1! Can we see anyone really starting F1 after 30 these days?

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I had not realized Damon was that old when he won his championship. I just looked it up and he was 32 +/- when he started F1! Can we see anyone really starting F1 after 30 these days?

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It would be interesting to see how many drivers of that age have been in positions to really fight for the title (in a truly competitive car)....
most recently, Barri was 36-37 i believe in his Brawn.

looking just at the post 90's over 35 title winners mentioned, i think its fair to say they enjoyed a car advantage, which merc would certainly provide.

also, Hill and Schumi had somewhat willing team mates which would be the bigger issue at merc.

so yeah its circumstantial in a sense, driver of the right age in the right car and team atmosphere...which is kind of always the case.

Fangio at 46...now thats really amazing.
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I think you only have to look at a driver like Lotterer and think that if he was in the right car he could easily challenger for the title and he's, what, mid 30's now?
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Old 20 May 2016, 10:03 (Ref:3643183)   #37
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I rate Alonso still. Give him the equipment he is ruthless. I cannot seeing LH wanting him in a Merc as a team mate.
Quite right, 2007 again, neither driver will want that
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I rate Alonso still. Give him the equipment he is ruthless. I cannot seeing LH wanting him in a Merc as a team mate.
Massively off-topic, but isn't this a measure of what type of chap that Button is. No matter whom he has been partnered with so far, he has always enjoyed a fairly harmonious relationship with the other driver. The only time that I can recall he displayed any animosity was when Hamilton punted him off in Canada when he was leading (I think).

He is no slouch, almost as good at thinking on the fly as the Professor, and a loyal member (and ambassador for) his team. And, seemingly, an all round nice guy.
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Massively off-topic, but isn't this a measure of what type of chap that Button is. No matter whom he has been partnered with so far, he has always enjoyed a fairly harmonious relationship with the other driver. The only time that I can recall he displayed any animosity was when Hamilton punted him off in Canada when he was leading (I think).

He is no slouch, almost as good at thinking on the fly as the Professor, and a loyal member (and ambassador for) his team. And, seemingly, an all round nice guy.
I agree Mike, this is totally off topic! (No, only joking).
I too am highly impressed by Button. He (generally) seems to just calmly get on with the job and deliver. A number of people talk down his World Championship because his car was supposedly far superior than any other, but he still beat his team mate in the same machine, and he IS a World Champion.
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To continue off-topic, people often also overlook the fact that Button is (I believe) the only person ever to beat Hamilton over the balance of a season.
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I agree Mike, this is totally off topic! (No, only joking).
I too am highly impressed by Button. He (generally) seems to just calmly get on with the job and deliver. A number of people talk down his World Championship because his car was supposedly far superior than any other, but he still beat his team mate in the same machine, and he IS a World Champion.
Ah! But of course Viv, he is the only person to win a World Championship driving a vastly superior car. That's never happened before or since ..........
............. has it?
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Ah! But of course Viv, he is the only person to win a World Championship driving a vastly superior car. That's never happened before or since ..........
............. has it?
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Massively off topic? Why in the Spanish Grand Prix thread, some bloke is on about racing saloons fifty years ago at Brands Hatch! How's that for a giant leap for mankind?
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I still believe"nice guys" don't win multiple championships in this present era. You have to not care for anyone/anything and work for yourself only. Vettel, Alonso and Schumi come to mind.
Jenson, I like, and is a sponsors dream. Respectable, won't break the rules type..
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Try to keep it classy. Hamilton is probably the most talented driver of his generation, but Nico put together a champion's season. Praising one doesn't have to mean slating the other.
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hats off tho, what he lacked in talent, he sure as hell made up for with work, nothing but respect for his campaign. an out and out professional guy.

He's just not one who puts you at the edge of your seat, I fail to get to excited about anything he does. Maybe I would prefer ballsy fierce champion who , when his teammate is posting midfielder laptimes in a world-beater car, goes there and pulls a move that commands respect. a move that says: if holding me up is the most you can do, then get off the road, im the champion...not happening with Nico I affraid.
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hats off tho, what he lacked in talent, he sure as hell made up for with work, nothing but respect for his campaign. an out and out professional guy.

He's just not one who puts you at the edge of your seat, I fail to get to excited about anything he does. Maybe I would prefer ballsy fierce champion who , when his teammate is posting midfielder laptimes in a world-beater car, goes there and pulls a move that commands respect. a move that says: if holding me up is the most you can do, then get off the road, im the champion...not happening with Nico I affraid.
Someone a bit like his Dad then?
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Very good sentiment, unfortunately some people are just without class aren't they ....
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