A new location for the Australian GP

[Mike_Wooshy]

Originally posted by EGG
Bathurst!

The facilities are good enough(well you'd hope so after the money they spent on it), the circuits long enough and there are dozens of exciting new ways for million dollar F1 cars to be involved in prangs. Including, but not limited to, Kangaroos!

That and the extent of the ground-effects forces on the cars, would certainly be, er, tested.

but as has been state f1 wont go there cuz they will only run on bland peice of tarmac with paint "as the track"

[Son of Jor-El]

Bathurst would be great but I don't think it would ever happen.
The change in gradient around bends like Hell Corner is too severe. The Esses would be very dangerous as well considering the speed differential of an F1 car. To see them blasting down conrod straight would be class though.
Bathurst doesn't have the infrastructure to hold a GP either.
Bring back Adelaide though, I'm all for that!

[Son of Jor-El]

I meant The Cutting instead of Hell Corner...I'll get my coat

[Dixie Flatline]

For those who say that Adelaide is the "spiritual home" of the Australian Grand Prix, it is true to say that Adelaide hosted the first Australian Grand Prix that counted for points towards the FIA championships.

However, Phillip Island hosted Australia's first grands prix between 1928 and 1935, while the first Formula One Grand Prix in Australia (though not for points) was held at Albert Park in 1953.

Grands Prix, though not all in Formula One, were held at Point Cook, Victoria, in 1948, Sandown between 1964 and 1978, and Calder Park in 1980 to 1984.

So, if you're talking the spiritual home of Formula One in Australia, it's either Phillip Island or Albert Park, not Adelaide, IMO.

[oziengineer]

In my opinion, Surfer's would be a nice track for F1, but Albert Park is a good track, if not a better one and I don't think that they should change it.

[luke]

Would anyone class Melbourne as a street circuit?

[Mike_Wooshy]

i dont its a park circuit, like montreal.

[Mattracer]

Surfers in the rain is diabolical. After two wet races in as many years, it was good to have a dry one.

[hoffy]

Originally posted by Dixie Flatline
For those who say that Adelaide is the "spiritual home" of the Australian Grand Prix, it is true to say that Adelaide hosted the first Australian Grand Prix that counted for points towards the FIA championships.

However, Phillip Island hosted Australia's first grands prix between 1928 and 1935, while the first Formula One Grand Prix in Australia (though not for points) was held at Albert Park in 1953.

Grands Prix, though not all in Formula One, were held at Point Cook, Victoria, in 1948, Sandown between 1964 and 1978, and Calder Park in 1980 to 1984.

So, if you're talking the spiritual home of Formula One in Australia, it's either Phillip Island or Albert Park, not Adelaide, IMO.

Jeez, you are leaving out a lot of venues that have held the Australian GP (you seem to have a very "Victorian" slant on things).
Lets think, there was Lobethal, Nuriopta, Victor Harbour, Bathurst, Lakeside, Warick Farm, Wanaroo, aww geez, the race has been held on so many tracks, its not funny...

As too all you people who like the idea of have the GP back in Adelaide.....

[Rich R]

imo adelaide is the best street circuit that formula 1 has raced on(except maybe montjuic), better than longbeach and a world away from monaco. you could actually overtake other cars at a few points around the track, and any self-respecting street circuit should have a 200 mph straight.
also can anyone recall a boring adelaide gp.

[cavvy]

Originally posted by hoffy
Jeez, you are leaving out a lot of venues that have held the Australian GP...... there was Lobethal, Nuriopta, Victor Harbour, Bathurst, Lakeside, Warick Farm, Wanaroo, aww geez, the race has been held on so many tracks, its not funny...

Hoffy you peasant,
what about Cavvy, Caversham W.A 57 & 62.
Described in another forum as the low point of AGPs, 57 with Lex Davison, Stan Jones & Jack Brabham sharing the podium, it was my earliest recollection - my hero & Dads mate Fred Coxon in a Holden open wheeler DNFed.
Bruce McLaren won 62 - I remember him punting a Mini Cooper in the tin tops on the same day (what about it Mark Webber?)

I've been to Adelaide & here in Melbourne - vote Adelaide #1.

[rdmdog]

Albert Park would be a lot better if it was anywhere other than Melbourne!!

When you leave the track precinct, its just dull old Melbourne.

Adelaide had the whole town as a party, but if taking the GP back to SA meant the end of the Clipsal, then Melbourne can have the GP

[Dixie Flatline]

Well, you got my point about some people saying that Adelaide being the spiritual home of Formula One in Australia - I didn't have all my reference books to hand, because I wasn't home at the time of writing the post above!

Anyway, Albert Park is a brilliant venue for the Grand Prix.

[Skam85]

Adelaide is the preferred option for me, but Surfer's Wouldn't be a bad 2nd option. Alberto Park is OK, but the Aussie GP was all about street circuit racing, and although technically Albert Park is a street circuit, Adelaide and/or Surfer's beat it. I like the ideas of having two though!!

[Hazza]

'85 Keke's last Win
'86 Nige's rear wheel.
'89 & '91 - the wet.
'92 Mansell and Senna's crash. Berger wins!
'93 Berger's last win
'94 Schu and Damon's crash, Nige's last win.
'95 Coulthard's Pit accident.
'96 Mr Jacques Villneuve.
'97 HHF loosing his breaks and DNFing while in the lead in the closing stages
'99 Irvine's first win (And luckiest year)
'00 Both Mclarens dying with Engine problems handing Schu the win.
'02 Webber's 2 points.
'03 One of the best races in 12 months, realy go tthe heart pumping and the prelude to a killer season.

Geeze, We've been spoilt with some great memories eh?

[Morris 1100]

Philip Island did not hold the first Australian Grand Prix. Goulburn is the place where the first Australian Grand Prix was held. The history books lie!

[Mattracer]

'93 was Senna's last win.

[Mattracer]

The Adelaide races were always special, perhaps the last race of the season has more fun factor than the first race of the season in Melbourne.

[npperk]

What would be interesting is to see some historic (even recent) F1 cars running around Bathurst in either a race of time-trial format. Would be nice to watch, especially some of the older cars with the massive ground effect...

Then maybe get TGF to run around in a tin top (red of course) and see his reaction. "I've never seen a kangaroo before!"

[Rich R]

would a ground effect car actually have enough ground clearance to do some parts of the mountain though.

[Dixie Flatline]

Originally posted by Hazza
'85 Keke's last Win
'86 Nige's rear wheel.
'89 & '91 - the wet.
'92 Mansell and Senna's crash. Berger wins!
'93 Berger's last win
'94 Schu and Damon's crash, Nige's last win.
'95 Coulthard's Pit accident.
'96 Mr Jacques Villneuve.
'97 HHF loosing his breaks and DNFing while in the lead in the closing stages
'99 Irvine's first win (And luckiest year)
'00 Both Mclarens dying with Engine problems handing Schu the win.
'02 Webber's 2 points.
'03 One of the best races in 12 months, realy go tthe heart pumping and the prelude to a killer season.

Geeze, We've been spoilt with some great memories eh?

I'll add Brundle's shunt at turn 3 on the first lap of the '96 race, Villeneuve and Ralf Schumacher coming together in 2001 which unfortunately killed a marshal, Ralf Schumacher and Rubens Barrichello coming together in 2002 or 2003, not to mention the notorious 'deal' between Mika and David where they agreed that whoever led the opening lap of the '98 race would not be challenged by the other driver, and Mika goes on to win the race.

[RWC]

Originally posted by rdmdog
Albert Park would be a lot better if it was anywhere other than Melbourne!!

When you leave the track precinct, its just dull old Melbourne.

I look at it the other way round!...er,sort of

I can't see why anyone likes albert park! It has one kinda cool curved straight and then...ummmmm.yeah see what i mean?

However i must say that victorians are amazing with sports-this comming from a queenslander,the natural enemy of victorians

No argument about how good adelaide ran things

As for surfers-i was down there two(?) weeks ago struggling big time through the traffic

oh how i lothe indecisive drivers in a traffic jam

um...what was i talking about?

Oh yeah.
f1 at Surfers would be kinda cool but the novelty would wear off real fast
It's just another stupid street circuit weher nothing can pass

[ozrevhead]

BRING BACK ADELAIDE

[Seton Fanatic]

I'd like the Grand Prix to return to Adelaide but, realising that Adelaide is not considered a money-making epicentre such as Sydney or Melbourne, it was not practical to hold a Grand Prix there. Indeed, the SA Government lost money virtually every year the GP went there, although part of it can be blamed on an incompetent Bannon and Arnold Labor Governments.

As for the Mountain, openwheelers with the notable exception of Formula Ford are not permitted to race, for safety reasons. And that is a NSW Governement rule as well as CAMS, I think.

[rustyinsthoz]

I think the Victorian government lose about 13 million each year on the grand prix ?